The point of diminishing returns?coyote wrote:...
For instance, for a driver traveling 10,000 miles in a year: switching from a 10-mpg vehicle to a 20-mpg vehicle will save you 500 gallons over the course of that year (going from 1,000 gallons used to 500 gallons used); but switching from a 25-mpg vehicle to a 50-mpg vehicle (say, switching to a hybrid) will, though seeming to be a larger jump, by comparison save only 200 gallons over that year (going from 400 gallons used to 200 gallons used). So even though in the latter case you're making a 25-mpg jump, the increased gain is illusory.
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I found this a very interesting study on gains in fuel efficiency. Basically, it says that modest-seeming efficiency gains in lower-mpg vehicles actually adds up to a lot more fuel gallons saved than does apparently dramatic efficiency gains in higher-mpg vehicles. In other words, the diminishing returns law here applies. This is made clear by thinking in terms of gallons per mile instead of miles per gallon.
TheDude wrote:Buy a motorcycle or street legal scooter. Puts you in a whole other ballpark. The barrier to higher efficiency gains is the dubious notion of personal transportation having to include windows/trunk space/AC.
TheDude wrote:Interesting.
Buy a motorcycle or street legal scooter. Puts you in a whole other ballpark. The barrier to higher efficiency gains is the dubious notion of personal transportation having to include windows/trunk space/AC.
Heineken wrote:People with better-mileage vehicles will tend to drive more miles.
Either they will use much of the "saved" gasoline, or someone else will.
Jevon's paradox.
I have a guzzling F-150 4 x 4 but I drive it only 4500 miles per year. My "mileage" is fabulous.
The modern instantiation is termed the rebound effect, and it simply states that steps taken to reduce consumption tend not to be maximally effective. At the same time, they also tend to be worthwhile in terms of consumption, since AFAIK, I haven't seen a study stating that the rebound effect is ever 100%.MrBill wrote:I do not doubt the 'theoretical' underpinnings of Jevon's Paradox, which is ironically just supply and demand analysis for non-economists, engineers in particular, but to be honest I think the theory has quite a few holes in it as commonly interpreted (or misinterpreted).
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Kingcoal wrote:That's why car pooling is so important. Go from one to two people and your 20mpg car shoots up to 40mpg. Better yet, put 4 people in your nice, roomy, SUV and you are now at 80mpg compared to those four people each driving a 20 mpg car. A lot of mid to large size SUVs have third row seating, allowing six passengers to sit comfortably. See what I mean? It really isn't the car, it's how it's used. Driving solitary in a vehicle is very inefficient. Big cars aren't inefficient compared to small cars, they are just designed to carry more passengers and often aren't used in that manor. If you have a large vehicle, car pool to gas.
Heineken wrote:People with better-mileage vehicles will tend to drive more miles.
coyote wrote:Heineken wrote:People with better-mileage vehicles will tend to drive more miles.
For some, however -- for many -- saving that many gallons will make the difference between being able to get to work or not, which will mean staying afloat or going under. We know the dizzy heights gas is likely to climb to, and it's not in the single digits. Saving 500 or 600 gallons a year under those circumstances could make a huge difference to people who must commute or lose their jobs. And that could make a difference in how long our national economy can hold itself together.
Good to see you, Heineken. How's it been?
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