[Zeeea]

Hello all ...im in South Australia ...and am happy petrol prices are on the rise!

For some reason alot of people think they have a right to cheaper fuel. Has any of you thought about "what is oil" and "why does the earth have such large stores of it"? Have you thought that maybe the earth "needs" it to survive? Why shouldnt you pay the earth for it so to speak?

And whatever happened to solar power? why has it been put on the back bench when it could be the ultimate power provider? Could it be people dont think they shoud have to pay their own way to provide a cleaner healthier future for our kids?

Most people agree they are addicted to oil and petrol, so why give the addicts what they want? Do we give crack addicts more crack? Why give oil addicts more oil when there are so many other alternatives and its obvious what the effects of global warming are? It makes no sense at all to see how people have reacted to the recent price rises, it just shows how spoilt and selfish humans dependant really are!

...Rainfall here is currently well below average and has been for quite some time. Our River Murray which we are dependant on for many reasons has only months left before it becomes completely unrecoverable due to lack of water and resultant salt levels. Wild birds such as galahs and cockatoos are moving closer to suburbia looking for water and then being preyed upon by local cats causing their decline in even greater numbers.

All around the world catastrophies as mentioned are happening. To hear the complaints of so many people demanding for more oil drilling breaks my heart, for me and my family have to live in the world you all choose to create for us, very sad indeed!

And before I get complaints, im a single mother with 2 small children and am living on $349 a week so am far from well off, so if I can do it anyone can.

(edited with paragraghs for your reading pleasure)

[Cashmere]

Welcome.

[TT]

Hello back from another aussie.

A paragraph break would have made that rant a lot easier to read.

[Micki]

Hi Zeeea & welcome.
I wish I could say that I am happy oil price is going up, but I can't.
It will affect a lot of jobs and public transport is pretty lousy in most part of the country.

Neither do I thing pumping more is a good answer as that will just lead to a faster decline a little bit later.

Been waiting for affordable solar solutions for generation of electricity for quite a while, but it always seems to be just around the corner.

Anyway, despite that and drought, I think we are in a pretty good corner down here.

[alokin]

Hi, good that there are more Aussies! think the same than you.Stop climate change? Never our Gov. don't do anything.
But most of us have to fear a lot, especially single moms as social security systems are likely to break down.

[Micki]

I caught a few minutes of an interview with Rudd on 7.30 something on ABC late last week.
One of the things the interviewer was pressing him on was high oil prices and you coul dread between the lines that the interviewer wanted Rudd to mention PO, but he didn't go there.
I was very disappointed as I expected Rudd to bring something new to politics.


EDITED:
FOUND IT: It was the 7.30 Report on 16/6.

But isn't it time to look Australians in the eye and tell them the news is only going to get worse on oil?

It may get better in the short term, there may be moments where the price drops a little, but in the medium to long term, it's going to get worse and that there's nothing significant that you can do about it. Now isn't that the case?

KEVIN RUDD, PRIME MINISTER: Kerry, on global oil prices, no one that I can speak to, either within the Government, that is the Treasury who are looking at the long range forecasting here, or abroad, can give you any confidence about where global oil prices will be in three, six, nine, 12 months time.

It is a very murky future that we face. What we do know for a fact is that right now we have the greatest global oil shock in 30 years. We know for a fact that prices are up 400 per cent since the Iraq war, 100 per cent in the last 12 months alone. It's led to protests and riots in the UK, Spain, France, as well as Indonesia and our own region and South Korea.

So this is a massive shock to the global economy. It's happening across all economies at present. What we need to do is frame an intelligent, long term response to this, and Australia as of when we took over Government did not have a long term energy strategy, a fuel strategy.

We're working on that, six months into office, and we hope to have something to produce later in the year on that score. Dealing with the long term channel, as well as being mindful of the impact on people's hip pocket now.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Well, you talk about it being murky and that you don't really know where it's going to be, but there is a growing and very credible body of advice that with the odd slot going down slightly, that it's simply in the long term going to be going up and up and up.

Richard Heinberg is a highly respected world expert on the oil crisis and when the world reaches the price where known oil reserves reach their peak and irreversibly decline, he says, over the long term, nowhere for oil prices to go but up.

Now, in that context, isn't it just faintly ludicrous to be arguing over whether you can save a cent a litre here or there?

KEVIN RUDD: But Kerry, that's why my responses to many of these questions in parliaments in recent weeks have been framed in terms of one, global oil supply, what can be done to boost investment in those countries which are the principal oil exporters? There's a problem there. Two, on the demand side. Global initiatives on energy efficiencies and the huge great push countries of China and India? Three, what do you do in terms of energy efficiency in economies like our own? That goes to the whole regime of fuel efficient cars, in particular. Four, what do you do in terms of an alternative fuel strategy? And five, what do you do in terms of public transport, in order to make it accessible, particularly in our metro areas?

This is a long term strategy as well as dealing with the immediate hip pocket impact on motorists who are feeling it right now.

7.30 Report

The Bold is my emphasis.

[Zeeea]

Hi, good that there are more Aussies! think the same than you.Stop climate change? Never our Gov. don't do anything.
But most of us have to fear a lot, especially single moms as social security systems are likely to break down.

Yes agreed, I dont understand why there has been so little action! It has been known for so long the problems we are ALL facing yet not much seems to be happening to help the situation.

Im fortunate to have 2 healthy kids, im a good cook and save money growing fruit and veges in the garden, we are happy and have a nice cosy home and a mangageble mortgage so consider us to be one of the more fortunate in the world.

One of the reasons I can manage is because i installed solar power 3 years ago which is connected to the main grid. We are usually in credit for our electricity bills now so dont understand why this technology hasnt taken off better? The cost of installation was well worth it, considering we were used to budgeting for a $2400+ electricity bill per year and now that bill has been virtually eliminated. I cant imagine living without solar now!

[Zeeea]

[quote="Micki"]I caught a few minutes of an interview with Rudd on 7.30 something on ABC late last week.
One of the things the interviewer was pressing him on was high oil prices and you coul dread between the lines that the interviewer wanted Rudd to mention PO, but he didn't go there.
I was very disappointed as I expected Rudd to bring something new to politics.

I was/am extremely disapointed as well. Maybe it was a matter of high hopes and great expectations!? ...if it sounds too good to be true it usually is ...

I watch question time on FOX News whenever I catch it on. I still prefer Rudd, he is at least getting the ball rolling, but much much slower than is needed.

I am dreading this summer to come, I have love birds and quails who only just made it through last year. I added extra bamboo sheets for better sun protection but am fearing it will just be too hot for them this year. Fingers crossed I am wrong and we get some good rain before the end of winter ...

[Judgie]

G'day Zeeea!

You're the first South Australian I've seen on here since I joined early last year. It's GREAT!! (you have no idea) to meet another South Australian who is actually ready to talk about the subject (and believe me i've tried, most still put it down to the "evil" speculators). Drop in on the Australia and New Zealand forum while you're here, and by all means get involved in the Planning for the Future and Energy Technology forums among others.

Once again welcome, and don't be afraid to tell the old grumps here to bugger off if they give you a hard time, we've had a huge influx of new members since this all began to go mainstream in early may this year, and as you will be able to appreciate, they (as do I) get a little touchy when new members ask the same questions that have already been debated to death without searching. You seem to already be ahead of the curve from your posts above

Good luck

[alokin]

I'm [s]a bit[/s] quite disappointed of Rudd as well. Why doesn't he tackle the problem? Why we are still constructing roads? Why Brisbane Sydney railway line has A SINGLE track? The people here don't get it. Nobody I know panics, it's just me.

[Hagakure_Leofman]

Welcome to PO.com

The higher your expectations, the greater your disappointment. Is it wise to expect a politician to make the changes that are really your own responsibility.

[Micki]

Is it wise to expect a politician to make the changes that are really your own responsibility.

YEAH, like building that second railroad track. Com'on roll up the sleaves.

[Hagakure_Leofman]

YEAH, like building that second railroad track. Com'on roll up the sleaves.

You expect a politician spend money on public services before the plebs are kicking his door down to do it? Perhaps this is futile, however...

For us to wait for legislation or technology to solve the problem of how we’re living our lives suggests we’re not really serious about changing — something our politicians cannot fail to notice. They will not move until we do. Indeed, to look to leaders and experts, to laws and money and grand schemes, to save us from our predicament represents precisely the sort of thinking — passive, delegated, dependent for solutions on specialists — that helped get us into this mess in the first place. It’s hard to believe that the same sort of thinking could now get us out of it.

From an article by Michael Pollan titled Why Bother?

[Zeeea]

G'day Zeeea!

You're the first South Australian I've seen on here since I joined early last year. It's GREAT!! (you have no idea) to meet another South Australian who is actually ready to talk about the subject (and believe me i've tried, most still put it down to the "evil" speculators). Drop in on the Australia and New Zealand forum while you're here, and by all means get involved in the Planning for the Future and Energy Technology forums among others.

Once again welcome, and don't be afraid to tell the old grumps here to bugger off if they give you a hard time, we've had a huge influx of new members since this all began to go mainstream in early may this year, and as you will be able to appreciate, they (as do I) get a little touchy when new members ask the same questions that have already been debated to death without searching. You seem to already be ahead of the curve from your posts above

Good luck

Thanks very much, its good to know im not alone with my fears. Before I found this place i felt no one else was as concerned with whats been happening.

And im not so concerned with old grumps lol, I will stand my ground

Ive been debating human habits for as long as I can remember and it has always been a subject im most interested in. Although uneducated in the finer points and details I know enough to know our standard of living and the expectations humans have are unsustainable. Something needs to be done to ensure those like us who are concerned are not sent to our demise for the sake of the naive who dont give a damn!

We/my family/ people reading here who are also concerned need to stand our ground and make our opinions heard even if it is met with ignorance and naivity. Good guys usually come last because they are good, we are on a different level to the bad guys, but that needs to change, we need some good people with attitude to get the message through to deaf ears. I dont want my children growing up in sweltering heat and/or rising flood levels, with no elephants, whales, pandas or caribou etc.

Anyway I have plenty of reading to do now, this is an excellent site and am very happy I found it.

P.S. Did anyone else hear about that girl who was suspended from school for 10 days because she rode her pony to school to save petrol!!! ...whats with that? I just dont get it ...

[Hagakure_Leofman]

Gandhi once said "be the change you want to see in the world".

Get started in the Planning for the Future

A belated welcome

[Judgie]

P.S. Did anyone else hear about that girl who was suspended from school for 10 days because she rode her pony to school to save petrol!!! ...whats with that? I just dont get it ...

Yep. Rather than be punished, she should have been given an award and put up as an example of what can be done.

[davidC]

this site is wasting time trying to figure out takes an hour to post messages the internet is always like this.

anyway I hear people growing vegies moving to farms etc. you are step ahead of me, I havent learnt how to grow veggies.

I have a few things to say, but I have to say that people can get insulted very easily when things that push their unconscious patterns of automatic behaviour (not you necessarily,

anyway I theorize I havent grown things. though common sense does work prevalution.

I think that when petrol gets very expensive, say at the end foodless people, will go to wherever food is growing, people will kill for food, just go to a bad neighbour hood and people rob you of money bullish.

so isolation will self suffiency, a small group community of people, outside driving distance from major population centres (esp when petrol price inhibitive). this way you can avoid, rogues who gang up with arms and hoard and take over farms and areas, like a mini serfdom.

think about it, wouldn't you take someone's food if you were starving? of course, we change when we are threatened. if this cant be conceptualised and if examples are needed there is plenty in cited bibliographical documentations. (

To just rely on a homestead a farm is scary to me. goats sheep can provide milk, cheese making skills are great. fat is very important when physically active, esp muscular strength, and farming requires that. our modern society is all false, we live artificial lives created. milk fat steak is bad because we sit in front of a computer all day. go trekking with a 30kg pack up a 45 degree slope in the thin air of the himalaya and this is not an issue. afterall you dont hear mountaineers suffering heartattacks from blocked arteries do you? and they eat crap, chocolate, anything. not just talking big time dead self punish either this is trend and mainstream, there's heaps of different people than commerical advertised categories.

I can tell you I did this in nepal and you just cant be a fat person as a result. it's hard natural. anyway fat is so scarce in the natural world, especially healthy lean animals. so I stress fat as in cheese that sinful world to our ears, eggs are also good. but if your isolated farm is decimated, hailstorms, pests, etc, you must know how to store heirloom seeds not hybrids they are shit. in thailand where my mother comes from there is lots of wild things still used. like some sort of relation to eggplant full of vitamins looks like a pest tree. this is wild and is growing on garbage depleted soils. these are the things you should look for.

also know how to make fishing tools naturally, lines will run out. the sea is a good place for protein flesh. gathering hunting skills are required. I tell I have to stress if the average person is told to survive now they wouldn't be able to catch a bird. even full of water drinking time. they would eat grass inedible, lack of carbs and still believe and say we wont starvet there's something to eat.

panic will set in and dread that I am dying, while from my eyes I can see the world around the nature trees the same as when I lived off fast food. nothing has changed only me lacking food. how alone we are. be responsible

cold climates are hard. generations of experience required. to develop methods etc. sub tropical would be better.



though we can eat anything when very aerobic and endurance farmwork, we still need good food. this will provide it

[Ferretlover]

Welcome, davidc, to PeakOil.com. Please step over to the Welcome forum, and introduce yourself to the other posters.

[Micki]

davidC, you will feel right at home at this site.
About 75% of the people here seems to preapre for Zombie hords, olduvian cliffs and die-offs.