Cashmere wrote:LINKY
Well, at least at the bell, traders are unimpressed with KSA's promises, promises.
In other words,
the bluff has been called.
If oil is up more than 10 bucks this week (to 144), all HELL is going to break loose in Congress.
You're going to start seeing the Atlas Shrugged game plan trotted out for enactment.
Anyway, oil finished up $1.04 today on the NYMEX. Not much excitement.
Cashmere wrote:Threadbare - IBs are making a killing on oil?
Prove it.
That statement is irresponsible if you don't have proof.
IBs are in trouble. As far as I can tell there are going to be one or more further BSs in the near future.
threadbear wrote:Cashmere wrote:Threadbare - IBs are making a killing on oil?
Prove it.
That statement is irresponsible if you don't have proof.
IBs are in trouble. As far as I can tell there are going to be one or more further BSs in the near future.
What if the investment banks are trading their worthless MBS and CDOs at the Fed's auction facilities and using the money ($400 billion) to drive up the price of raw materials like rice, corn, wheat, and oil?
Paulson: No Evidence Speculation Is Driving Oil Prices
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
June 24, 2008 4:36 p.m.
By Henry J. Pulizzi
CANCUN, Mexico (Dow Jones)--U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said he sees no evidence that speculators are the major force behind rising oil prices, a view that puts him at odds with lawmakers who believe new limits on trading could ease energy prices.
"I don't, and I've been unable to find evidence, that financial speculators or investors have driven this," Paulson told a small group of reporters Tuesday. He was speaking between sessions of a meeting of finance ministers from the Americas and the Caribbean.
The Bush administration believes supply and demand issues, rather than speculators in financial markets, are the prime cause of record oil prices. But speculators have become a target on Capitol Hill, where lawmakers are mulling restrictions on swaps and bilateral trading in the energy futures markets.
Paulson conceded that speculation is one of many variables contributing to market moves, but said that by and large it can help provide efficiency in markets. Part of the problem, said Paulson, a former head of Goldman Sachs , is that people often don't understand how financial contracts work. Speculators and hedgers are on both sides of the market, he said.
"I didn't say it wasn't a factor," Paulson said. "I said I don't think it is a major factor and I don't think it is the driver."
Asked if enhanced regulation of energy futures is unnecessary, Paulson said, "I didn't say it was unnecessary."
"I'm not saying there's not room for improvement, we're studying this issue, and we're continuing to study it and looking at it very carefully," he said.
DantesPeak wrote:threadbear wrote:Cashmere wrote:Threadbare - IBs are making a killing on oil?
Prove it.
That statement is irresponsible if you don't have proof.
IBs are in trouble. As far as I can tell there are going to be one or more further BSs in the near future.
What if the investment banks are trading their worthless MBS and CDOs at the Fed's auction facilities and using the money ($400 billion) to drive up the price of raw materials like rice, corn, wheat, and oil?
Isn't it also possible that the Fed and others are trying to drive down the price of oil?
I keep thinking here - you may just get what you wish for - no futures - but the unwinding of futures may push up the price of oil if the speculators weren't really behind the price rise.Paulson: No Evidence Speculation Is Driving Oil Prices
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
June 24, 2008 4:36 p.m.
By Henry J. Pulizzi
CANCUN, Mexico (Dow Jones)--U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said he sees no evidence that speculators are the major force behind rising oil prices, a view that puts him at odds with lawmakers who believe new limits on trading could ease energy prices.
"I don't, and I've been unable to find evidence, that financial speculators or investors have driven this," Paulson told a small group of reporters Tuesday. He was speaking between sessions of a meeting of finance ministers from the Americas and the Caribbean.
The Bush administration believes supply and demand issues, rather than speculators in financial markets, are the prime cause of record oil prices. But speculators have become a target on Capitol Hill, where lawmakers are mulling restrictions on swaps and bilateral trading in the energy futures markets.
Paulson conceded that speculation is one of many variables contributing to market moves, but said that by and large it can help provide efficiency in markets. Part of the problem, said Paulson, a former head of Goldman Sachs , is that people often don't understand how financial contracts work. Speculators and hedgers are on both sides of the market, he said.
"I didn't say it wasn't a factor," Paulson said. "I said I don't think it is a major factor and I don't think it is the driver."
Asked if enhanced regulation of energy futures is unnecessary, Paulson said, "I didn't say it was unnecessary."
"I'm not saying there's not room for improvement, we're studying this issue, and we're continuing to study it and looking at it very carefully," he said.
WSJ
threadbear wrote:Dantes, This is where Peak Oil figures into the scenario, and in a very big way. Why would speculators take the other side of the trade betting that prices are going to go down? I mean, a few would, but if institutions and independents understand there is a supply problem, they're going to bet on prices continuing to go up. I consider just about anything that the administration comes out with a perfect contrary indicator, that almost the exact opposite is true.
threadbear wrote:SPG, You're overcomplicating the very simple. It's not rocket science. Without transparency, the market can be goosed by a few players. It's those players, with huge piles of money and low margin requirements, who have to be held in check.
smallpoxgirl wrote:threadbear wrote:SPG, You're overcomplicating the very simple. It's not rocket science. Without transparency, the market can be goosed by a few players. It's those players, with huge piles of money and low margin requirements, who have to be held in check.
Never once in the history of mankind has a government regulation worked that way. Governments don't regulate people who make fat campaign contributions. It looks to me like what's going on is that they've decided that there is entirely too much money to be made in this oil gig and they don't want anyone except the oil barons cutting in on the action. They're absolutely not talking about killing the futures market. They're talking about limiting it to people in the oil business. Guess what, those are the very people most likely to be in a position to manipulate the market.
And you still didn't answer my question. Who is on the short side of those contracts and why? I bet at least 80% of small investors are long. So who's short? Oil companies? Hedge funds?
threadbear wrote:He's just trying to make a profit from a transaction.
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