[doodlebug2]

In an article in MSNBC today, a Pew Survey showed that more people want more drilling, exploration, power plants, refineries and such and not conservation. This shows what the citizens want, they do not believe in Peak Oil and or care about the enviroment.
It may not be good for the enviroment in the future. Oil shale, and tar sands, here we come.

[Cashmere]

In short,


yes,


it is hopeless.


We are going to burn every molecule of carbon we can get our hands on until there is nothing but ashes and dead people.

[socrates1fan]

Did people seriously think people were riding busses to save the planet or to conserve energy?
Uh no.
People rode them because it was economical.
I am against drilling here because we need high gas prices to push the demand for alternatives and public transportation.
People don't seem to realize that the environment does play a role.
If it is ruined you better kiss your butt goodbye.

[socrates1fan]

In short,


yes,


it is hopeless.


We are going to burn every molecule of carbon we can get our hands on until there is nothing but ashes and dead people.

Noooo
we will burn the dead people
then there will be nothing but ash. =]

[KrellEnergySource]

What peeople want is food. 3-4 times per day.
To get that food they need a job.
To have a job, they need an economy.
To have an economy, they need busness as usual.
To have business as usual, they realize the need for oil.

Unless we have a way to meet basic needs for people without an economy based on market activity, what choice do people really have but say drill and pump when that is threatened?

Is it greedy to want to eat?

[syrac818]

People are conserving - prices take care of that.

An 811,000 barrel per day drop in American oil consumption is plenty proof. And that's just in April, just wait until we see the June numbers.

Now really peakoil.com - I appreciate all the opinions and information on here. But personally, it's really f*cking lame this huge drop in demand got such little play on here. That drop is more than twice the annual demand growth of China. More than Chinese, Indian and Saudi demand growth combined.

That's not to say peak oil isn't here and it isn't real. But it is to say that there is more to the issue than "we're all soooo screwed".

[mos6507]

Noooo
we will burn the dead people
then there will be nothing but ash. =]

Soylent Biosiesel?

[neocone]

Yes I also want to have a supermodel as girlfriend... chances of it happening? Almost nil. Because such limited is supply vs. the demand for the product.

[socrates1fan]

Noooo
we will burn the dead people
then there will be nothing but ash. =]

Soylent Biosiesel?

=0
the most amazing invention ever.
Start digging up the dead folks!
We finally have a use for them! =D

[MonteQuest]

People are conserving - prices take care of that.

An 811,000 barrel per day drop in American oil consumption is plenty proof.

A drop in demand is not proof of conservation any more than if I said that a drop in demand was the result of the inability to pay, job loss, bankruptcy, or a massive drop in sales.

But I would bet it is the latter. Recession.

[Serial_Worrier]

People are conserving - prices take care of that.

An 811,000 barrel per day drop in American oil consumption is plenty proof.

A drop in demand is not proof of conservation any more than if I said that a drop in demand was the result of the inability to pay, job loss, bankruptcy, or a massive drop in sales.

But I would bet it is the latter. Recession.

Does it matter how demand destruction occurs? Or it's only holy and good if it comes from people's pure hearts?

[syrac818]

People are conserving - prices take care of that.

An 811,000 barrel per day drop in American oil consumption is plenty proof.

A drop in demand is not proof of conservation any more than if I said that a drop in demand was the result of the inability to pay, job loss, bankruptcy, or a massive drop in sales.

But I would bet it is the latter. Recession.

What?? LOL...

Where the hell did you expect the drop in demand to come from? A national feel good campaign? A collection of specials run on the ABC family network about how "Carpooling is Cool"?

Just because it's conservation caused by high prices doesn't mean it's not conservation. You can try to label it whatever you want to give it a more doomer feel... but it is what it is.

[Serial_Worrier]

People are conserving - prices take care of that.

An 811,000 barrel per day drop in American oil consumption is plenty proof.

A drop in demand is not proof of conservation any more than if I said that a drop in demand was the result of the inability to pay, job loss, bankruptcy, or a massive drop in sales.

But I would bet it is the latter. Recession.

What?? LOL...

Where the hell did you expect the drop in demand to come from? A national feel good campaign? A collection of specials run on the ABC family network about how "Carpooling is Cool"?

Just because it's conservation caused by high prices doesn't mean it's not conservation. You can try to label it whatever you want to give it a more doomer feel... but it is what it is.

Doomers are doomers. Everything will be spun to "doom is coming". Same thing with the AGW stuff. If it's cold it's AGW, if it's hot during summer it's AGW. You just can't reason with these nuts.

[AgentR]

Many PO discussion include significant discussions about demand destruction. Perhaps some are a bit idealistic and would have preferred an egalitarian allocation of our precious liquid energy supplies. Others such as myself have long argued that there is only one mechanism which causes reduced demand, and that is elevated prices. It is why PO isn't a bell curve, its a plateau with a gradually declining backside that will run until there is no longer enough fuel available to keep advanced economies alive.

Then the price mechanism will fail.
Bullet mechanism with rise to take its place.
Rapidly followed by annihilation of commercial production.

[SILENTTODD]

Conservation be damned! Full Speed Ahead!

[americandream]

Many PO discussion include significant discussions about demand destruction. Perhaps some are a bit idealistic and would have preferred an egalitarian allocation of our precious liquid energy supplies. Others such as myself have long argued that there is only one mechanism which causes reduced demand, and that is elevated prices. It is why PO isn't a bell curve, its a plateau with a gradually declining backside that will run until there is no longer enough fuel available to keep advanced economies alive.

Then the price mechanism will fail.
Bullet mechanism with rise to take its place.
Rapidly followed by annihilation of commercial production.

Predicted by Karl Marx I might add.

[skyemoor]

Doomers are doomers. Everything will be spun to "doom is coming". Same thing with the AGW stuff. If it's cold it's AGW, if it's hot during summer it's AGW. You just can't reason with these nuts.

You'll find that contentless posts like this will lower your veracity around here. And calling people 'nuts' is a form of ad hominem that runs counter to the CoC, so correct your posting style.

[heartandseoul]

"People seem to want oil, not conserve" is right. Now, it seems they'll do anything to get it:

<a href="http://www.wlwt.com/news/16768006/detail.html">Woman Trades Sex for $100 in Gas</a>

I also saw on news this morning where a woman filled her tank and began pulling out without paying. The clerk jumped in front of the car to stop her and she kept on driving with the clerk on the hood of her car.