Concerned1 wrote:I think it's time for us all to get real about this Peak Oil issue. I've noticed something about westerners (and I'm one) in general and Americans in particular. We're whiners! Half the world is starving and we're crying about having to pay another 50 cents per gallon for gas. American's have it made compared to the bulk of the world in regards to our standard of living. Maybe too good because when everything is going along as well as it has here for last several decades, when our every want can by met with just a flick of the credit-card carrying wrist, when our biggest decision on any typical day may concern whether we're going to eat in or out, even the smallest inconvience feels like a catastrophe! Next thing you know we're spilling our guts out on some talk show about how terrible our lives are, sucking up for sympathy while people in other countries are trying to figure out were they're going to get their next meal. I agree with Matt Simmons about that. We're spoiled rotten.
First off, we're not running out of oil now or anytime soon! There's plenty of it left. When they've put oil rigs in our backyards and those begin to run dry, then we will have tried everything and we can say that we're running out, not before! I was guilty of worrying about peak oil too when the price at the pump started going up, but after a little more research, I know better now. Just look at all the articles posted here (and often ridiculed out of hand) that speak of this or that new find. And we're looking for more at an unprecedented rate. But even if we find that the amount the world wants is less than it can temporarily produce, so what! We're not going to starve to death! The oil generation only started really getting going about 1950 - 1960. Before that, most people lived just fine without oil. So we have to start pedalling bicycles again. Hell, we're too fat as it is! It'd do us a world of good to get off our butts and start riding bicycles.
If we began to have an oil depletion problem, the gov't could easily circumvent any potential food shortages by simply allowing only food related industries, that is, agriculture and food transportation to use fuel while we stick to pedalling. Problem solved. Sure, things might seem a bit inconvienent at the beginning, but we'd adapt. We always have and we always will!
One other thing. Some of the Peak Oil gurus we've been crooning over, people like James Howard Kunstler, what are their credentials? He was the adamant voice behind the Y2k scare and where did that get us? We became a laughing stock to the rest of the world. When they see us, they see people who have way too much time on our hands. Time to concoct all kinds of conspiracy theories and witch hunts. While I too would love to live in the Willoughby world that Kunstler writes about, it's not going to happen! For me or you or anyone else. We can never go back to that kind of 'idylic life' so we might just as well get used to it. And for those people who seem to want things to get worse in our country, who are these people anyway? I mean, do they come from the mid west or the middle east? Really, who wants things to get worse? The fact is this, our world is going to continue trudging along just as it always has, dragging itself from one crisis to another, staying just a step ahead of the apocalypse, becoming ever more hectic and miserable and somehow out of all that doom and gloom, we'll survive, albiet a good deal less happily than Huckleberry Finn. Get used to it.
Concerned1 wrote: albiet a good deal less happily than Huckleberry Finn.
mark wrote:okay,
you're a new guy, so we'll all cut you some slack. However, learn a little before you post such drivel. Otherwise, people around here will rightfully think you're an idiot
Concerned1 wrote:I think it's time for us all to get real about this Peak Oil issue. I've noticed something about westerners (and I'm one) in general and Americans in particular. We're whiners! Half the world is starving and we're crying about having to pay another 50 cents per gallon for gas.
American's have it made compared to the bulk of the world in regards to our standard of living. Maybe too good because when everything is going along as well as it has here for last several decades, when our every want can by met with just a flick of the credit-card carrying wrist, when our biggest decision on any typical day may concern whether we're going to eat in or out, even the smallest inconvience feels like a catastrophe!
Next thing you know we're spilling our guts out on some talk show about how terrible our lives are, sucking up for sympathy while people in other countries are trying to figure out were they're going to get their next meal. I agree with Matt Simmons about that. We're spoiled rotten.
First off, we're not running out of oil now or anytime soon! There's plenty of it left.
When they've put oil rigs in our backyards and those begin to run dry, then we will have tried everything and we can say that we're running out, not before!
I was guilty of worrying about peak oil too when the price at the pump started going up, but after a little more research, I know better now. Just look at all the articles posted here (and often ridiculed out of hand) that speak of this or that new find. And we're looking for more at an unprecedented rate. But even if we find that the amount the world wants is less than it can temporarily produce, so what! We're not going to starve to death! The oil generation only started really getting going about 1950 - 1960. Before that, most people lived just fine without oil. So we have to start pedalling bicycles again. Hell, we're too fat as it is! It'd do us a world of good to get off our butts and start riding bicycles.
If we began to have an oil depletion problem, the gov't could easily circumvent any potential food shortages by simply allowing only food related industries, that is, agriculture and food transportation to use fuel while we stick to pedalling. Problem solved. Sure, things might seem a bit inconvienent at the beginning, but we'd adapt. We always have and we always will!
One other thing. Some of the Peak Oil gurus we've been crooning over, people like James Howard Kunstler, what are their credentials? He was the adamant voice behind the Y2k scare and where did that get us?
We became a laughing stock to the rest of the world. When they see us, they see people who have way too much time on our hands. Time to concoct all kinds of conspiracy theories and witch hunts.
While I too would love to live in the Willoughby world that Kunstler writes about, it's not going to happen! For me or you or anyone else. We can never go back to that kind of 'idylic life' so we might just as well get used to it. And for those people who seem to want things to get worse in our country, who are these people anyway? I mean, do they come from the mid west or the middle east? Really, who wants things to get worse?
The fact is this, our world is going to continue trudging along just as it always has, dragging itself from one crisis to another, staying just a step ahead of the apocalypse, becoming ever more hectic and miserable and somehow out of all that doom and gloom, we'll survive, albiet a good deal less happily than Huckleberry Finn. Get used to it.
Kristen wrote:The problem isn't just the status quo, its the status symbol. Until Americans lose their appetite for material goods, we will continue down this death spiral.
jlw61 wrote:walking 30 miles to work... in the snow... uphill... both ways... and they like it!.
vilemerchant wrote:jlw61 wrote:walking 30 miles to work... in the snow... uphill... both ways... and they like it!.
Here in Australia we just jump on the nearest kangaroo and bounce to work
jlw61 wrote:vilemerchant wrote:jlw61 wrote:walking 30 miles to work... in the snow... uphill... both ways... and they like it!.
Here in Australia we just jump on the nearest kangaroo and bounce to work
I'll have to remember that one!
Right on.Concerned1 wrote:I think it's time for us all to get real about this Peak Oil issue.
There are 400,000 Minnesotans were under the poverty line. I know kids who take turn eating supper. MN is one of the top states in the Union. It's very popular to think the kids in the pays de tier monde are starving and ours aren't. I need to take you in some of my trips.Concerned1 wrote:Half the world is starving and we're crying about having to pay another 50 cents per gallon for gas.
Right on. If you are white and born in the US after 1950, even if you live under the poverty line, you have no idea what of catastrophe. Myself included.Concerned1 wrote:...the smallest inconvience feels like a catastrophe!
Right on. We're running out of cheap and readily available oil, and demand for it is growing faster than supply. That's PO. Life as we know is fixing to end.Concerned1 wrote:...we're not running out of oil now or anytime soon! There's plenty of it left.
Most probably not. I'm sure we'll eat dog dung if it comes to it. Just kidding. Many thousands will die --I'll probably be in the first batch-- because the system is decaying, ie, police ceased patrolling, the medicine didn't get to the store, the farmer couldn't get his combine repaired, etc.Concerned1 wrote:We're not going to starve to death!
I echo Ludi; do you bike to work? BTW, I walk to work.Concerned1 wrote:So we have to start pedalling bicycles again.
I don't know about that.Concerned1 wrote:If we began to have an oil depletion problem, the gov't could easily circumvent any potential food shortages by simply allowing only food related industries, that is, agriculture and food transportation to use fuel.
Agreed. If it's not this is that. My grandparents thought WWII was the end of the world. Every known evidence pointed to it. Yet they survived 6 years in the trenches. Granted, I'm not made of the same cloth. I'm a big whimp in comparison.Concerned1 wrote:...our world is going to continue trudging along just as it always has, dragging itself from one crisis to another, staying just a step ahead of the apocalypse, becoming ever more hectic and miserable and somehow out of all that doom and gloom, we'll survive, albiet a good deal less happily than Huckleberry Finn. Get used to it.
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