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WTO talks in Doha have failed

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 16:05:26

The WTO trade talks in Doha have failed due to intransigence from the US, China and India. It is, I believe, the first time such talks fail to produce lowering of import tariffs around.
The main stumbling block was farm import rules, which allow countries to protect poor farmers by imposing a tariff on certain goods in the event of a drop in prices or a surge in imports.
India, China and the US could not agree on the tariff threshold for such an event.
Washington said that the "safeguard clause" protecting developing nations from unrestricted imports had been set too low.

I won't go as far as saying it's the end for globalization and "the world is flat", but this is really important. The US and western countries might (?) retaliate in the long run, for now it's a victory to China and India, as they have defended a part of their economy.

The world is changing. Power is, as has been said so often, shifting East. They are now in a bargaining negotiation to say no and protect their internal producers from the onslaught of western countries. Maybe their position, from now on, will be pretty much remembering they have the production.

Anyway, they don't have the demand for that production. In the long run, it may be the end of the run for them.

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Re: WTO talks in Doha have failed

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 16:17:18

Good. Globalization is a scam.
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Re: WTO talks in Doha have failed

Unread postby Byron100 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 17:31:53

Jotapay wrote:Good. Globalization is a scam.


I agree! This has been a very good day all around. :)
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Re: WTO talks in Doha have failed

Unread postby cualcrees » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 18:15:54

Jotapay wrote:Good. Globalization is a scam.


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Re: WTO talks in Doha have failed

Unread postby the48thronin » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 18:57:23

Byron100 wrote:
Jotapay wrote:Good. Globalization is a scam.
I agree! This has been a very good day all around. :)

I also agree! Globilization is a scam.
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Re: WTO talks in Doha have failed

Unread postby americandream » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 22:30:50

the48thronin wrote:
Byron100 wrote:
Jotapay wrote:Good. Globalization is a scam.
I agree! This has been a very good day all around. :)

I also agree! Globilization is a scam.


Care to elaborate? If you could track your way back to the money, even better!
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Re: WTO talks in Doha have failed

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 00:16:59

americandream wrote:Care to elaborate? If you could track your way back to the money, even better!


Corporations basically fleece the people to death and destroy institutions which have intrinsic value in their psychopathic pursuit of profit. Globalization is their plan to be able to do this unabated across the entire globe.

Watch the documentary called "The Corporation", or listen to this interview of Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel prize winner in Economics and former Vice President of the World Bank.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgP92D_jusk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mJVYXs8108c&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mIVAb84H910&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hqkGGpfkfsg&feature=related

Listen to Joseph describe how the corporations acted like a band of raiding pirates on the way in and also on the way out after they had destroyed everything.

The funny thing is that Joseph actually is a globalist. But listen to how he describes corporate behavior as they pursue their globalization policy.

Just to give you one example how ridiculous these corporations are when they pursue their interests across borders in new countries, a corporation (can't remember which one, I can look it up) which went into Bolivia to run their water system under the pretense of improving the country's water system efficiency. They actually privatized all water in Bolivia and sold it back to the Bolivians at rates so high that the poor people there could not afford water! The corporation had even privatized RAIN WATER, so that it was illegal for citizens to collect rain water because it was owned by the corporation managing their water system. This corporation was eventually just literally run out of the country with pitchforks and torches.

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Re: WTO talks in Doha have failed

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 05:34:09

Indeed, globalization has brought many harmful things for everyone, especially developing nations. We have exported there all the problems (pollution, low wages, over-usage of resources) and kept the high value activities in the western world.

Problem is, an overpopulated "Third World" needs food. They can't produce enough of it right now, because they have had their local producers toasted by low-priced american and european food imports, and now they are stuck with overpopulation and no way to feed people but to import food. Sure, they have the production facilities of many western companies, and when pushed against the wall a nationalization spree could ensue. Then, they could feed their citizens all the iPods they could produce, right?

The globalized world has offer and demand separated: western world offering cheap food and demanding cheap industrial products, asian countries offering cheap industrial production and demanding cheap food. We, in the West, may be in for an increase of price of industrial products, they in asia are probably in for famine in the short term.

Globalization has kept price increases at bay for a long time. If it breaks, it will hurt. Sure, we don't need all the stuff - just tell that to the future unemployed angry mobs in China, India and all over Asia. May I remind you that some of these countries are nuclear powers? Revolutions give power to different people. Some of those people can be tempted (or pushed) to push the Big Red Button.

You think globalization was a scam? Of course it was. And the fallout from a potential globalization implosion won't be pretty.

Don't get me wrong. I am your resident "produce and consume locally" man. But a change that comes too quickly will bring massive disruptions and the potential for big trouble.
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Re: WTO talks in Doha have failed

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 11:53:49

CarlosFerreira wrote:Globalization has kept price increases at bay for a long time. If it breaks, it will hurt. Sure, we don't need all the stuff - just tell that to the future unemployed angry mobs in China, India and all over Asia.

I think, their governments will kindly explain to mob, why it must accept to be poor.
Chinese government in particular will be quite resourceful here.
May I remind you that some of these countries are nuclear powers? Revolutions give power to different people. Some of those people can be tempted (or pushed) to push the Big Red Button.

What they would achieve by doing so?
Do you think that destiny of India or Pakistan is to end up glasified?
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Re: WTO talks in Doha have failed

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 12:41:00

EnergyUnlimited wrote:I think, their governments will kindly explain to mob, why it must accept to be poor.
Chinese government in particular will be quite resourceful here.


That's the reason why it was a scam. You go there, flood them with cheap food, wreck havoc among their economies and now kiss them goodbye and leave them. No food unless they kneel?


CarlosFerreira wrote:May I remind you that some of these countries are nuclear powers? Revolutions give power to different people. Some of those people can be tempted (or pushed) to push the Big Red Button.

What they would achieve by doing so?
Do you think that destiny of India or Pakistan is to end up glasified?


I just hope that India and Pakistan don't nuke each other out of the atmosphere, or else my salad the next day may glow in the dark. It's not a question of what they would achieve by doing so; it's a question of these people feeling deceived by western countries taking bad, ugly measures against them.
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