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Unread postby seahorse » Wed 10 Sep 2008, 09:27:17

Bailing out Freddie and Fannie was like having sex over the weekend without a condom. It felt good while it was happening, but now we have to live with the consequences. Unfortunately, it looks like we may have given ourselves some kind of communicable disease. Let's hope its curable.

In one of those "oh shit we never thought of that," the Bush administration has been caught off guard by this:

“It is the CBO view that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be directly incorporated into the federal budget.”


Maybe TPTB should start listening to all us peons who clearly saw the ramnifications of this move to take over F&F.

Here's the full article:

Cost of US loans bail-out emerging
By Krishna Guha in Washington and Michael Mackenzie and Nicole Bullock in New York

Published: September 9 2008 15:57 | Last updated: September 10 2008 00:34

The US on Tuesday began to face the financial consequences of the bail-out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac after Congress’s budget watchdog said the housing giants’ operations should sit on the government’s books and the cost of insuring against a US default crept higher.

With the stock market tumbling, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office said the government takeover of Fannie and Freddie meant the companies should no longer be regarded as outside the public sector.


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Full coverage: Freddie and Fannie - Aug-28Analysis: Is America’s house price crash at last bottoming out? - Sep-09Fannie Mae argued case for special treatment - Sep-09Martin Wolf: America’s housing solution is not a good one to follow - Sep-09Insight: US mortgage U-turn may not be enough - Sep-09Powerful Democrats question reforms - Sep-09Peter Orszag, CBO director, said: “It is the CBO view that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be directly incorporated into the federal budget.”

The Bush administration appeared to be caught by surprise. A spokeswoman for the Office of Management and Budget told the Financial Times: “We are working through this issue with Treasury and other stakeholders.”

The White House could take a different view on Fannie and Freddie and exclude them from its budgets. But this would be difficult because the CBO is regarded as the leading independent authority on US finances and its assessments guide spending decisions by Congress.

The two mortgage companies have between them $5,400bn in liabilities, equal to the entire publicly traded debt of the US, alongside mortgage-related assets of about equal value. These will now all be accounted for by the CBO, although public accounting rules mean that its tally of US government debt may not necessarily increase by $5,400bn.

The CBO bombshell came as it raised its baseline estimate for the US budget deficit to $407bn this year and a record $438bn next year owing to falling revenues and higher spending, some of it related to the fiscal stimulus.

The price of credit default swaps on five-year US government debt hit a record 18 basis points in early trading, according to CMA Datavision. This means that it costs $18,000 a year to buy insurance on $10m of US government debt.

Tim Backshall, chief strategist at Credit Derivatives Research, said the price implied that the US was more likely to default on its obligations than Japan, Germany, France, Quebec, the Netherlands and several Scandinavian countries. Traders said the CDS market for US debt was illiquid and it was hard to see evidence of increased concern over US creditworthiness in broader market prices.

The price of US government bonds rose and yields fell across the board, as concern over the economic outlook overwhelmed any rise in perceived credit risk. Jay Mueller, senior portfolio manager at Wells Capital Management, said: “We are seeing flight-to-quality buying of Treasuries.”

Both Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s Investors Service said the government takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did not affect the US’s triple-A sovereign credit ratings. “It does represent some deterioration in the US balance sheet, but it’s well within what we would call the triple-A space,” said Steven Hess, senior credit officer at Moody’s.
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008


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This road to perdition is so obvious even to us non-economist it it leaves me with the conclusion that the maniacs behind the wheel are driving us there on purpose.
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Re: US CBO "F&F should be incorporated into US Budg

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Wed 10 Sep 2008, 10:45:42

The companies weren't disastrously unprofitable. How much money are we expecting them to lose this year? 25, 50, maybe 75 billion?

Compared to a 3 trillion dollar annual budget, it's not the end of the world as we know it. Especially if those loses are refinanced through the treasury at 4.5% fixed for 30 years.

The 5.4 Trillion figure ignores the fact that all of that debt is backed up by real assets in the company, mostly bonds and mortgage-backed securities.

Sure, some of the mortgages have become worth less. Not worthless, just worth less. If the new company can rent out the houses to pay for at least some of the debt, the bonds can re-adjust to a new value without completely wiping equity.

The 90%+ of mortgages being paid on time and in full are still great assets and will yield dividends to the new federal owners for years.
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Unread postby seahorse2 » Wed 10 Sep 2008, 10:48:45

More unintended consequences of the Paulson bailout - AIG will no longer insure bank deposits above the FDIC limit of $100k.

Billionaire investor Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway has told one of its units to stop insuring bank deposits above the amount guaranteed by the U.S. federal government, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The subsidiary, Kansas Bankers Surety, is notifying about 1,500 banks in more than 30 states that it will no longer offer a program called "bank deposit guaranty bonds."

The order was made on Monday by Buffett, Berkshire Hathaway's chief executive, two people briefed on the matter told the Journal.

KBS is an 18-employee subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, according to the parent firm's 2007 annual report.

It is one of a handful of firms that offer such insurance, a big selling point for banks trying to attract wealthy customers.


CNBC

Over the weekend, Buffet said Paulson did the right thing in bailing out the banks and that the bailout plan is a good one.

CNBC

Immediately thereafter, Buffett's insurer, AIG, states it will no longer insure bank deposits above the FDIC insured limits of $100k. I believe actions speak louder than words, and Buffet is scared as hell at the condition of the banking system. He can only assume its going to fail, or sees a high risk of failure, and thus is no longer insuring deposits above $100. Keep in mind this is a guy that still writes insurance policies covering property damage in the Gulf.

USA Today

So, AIG still writes insurance policies in the hurricane prone Gulf but won't insure bank deposits above $100K? He must see a huge storm brewing.
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Re: US CBO "F&F should be incorporated into US Budg

Unread postby seahorse2 » Wed 10 Sep 2008, 14:22:01

Tyler_JC wrote:The companies weren't disastrously unprofitable. How much money are we expecting them to lose this year? 25, 50, maybe 75 billion?

Compared to a 3 trillion dollar annual budget, it's not the end of the world as we know it. Especially if those loses are refinanced through the treasury at 4.5% fixed for 30 years.

The 5.4 Trillion figure ignores the fact that all of that debt is backed up by real assets in the company, mostly bonds and mortgage-backed securities.

Sure, some of the mortgages have become worth less. Not worthless, just worth less. If the new company can rent out the houses to pay for at least some of the debt, the bonds can re-adjust to a new value without completely wiping equity.

The 90%+ of mortgages being paid on time and in full are still great assets and will yield dividends to the new federal owners for years.


Tyler, your basically saying what Paulson, Bernanke, and the rest have been saying for well over a year now, that "housing is contained" that F&F are well capitalized, blah blah blah.

Since those "contained" arguments have not been true yet, excuse me for not being convinced this time. As I always say, I hope you are right. I am an American, a father of three, who has a strong vested interest in hoping things continue on as normal, but really, this gets down to a math problem with American people unwilling and unable to solve it.
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Unread postby heroineworshipper » Wed 10 Sep 2008, 14:50:35

No sane person would have supported the tax increases of the 90's if they knew the money was paying for the savings & loan bailouts of the 80's.
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Re: US CBO "F&F should be incorporated into US Budg

Unread postby seahorse2 » Wed 10 Sep 2008, 15:07:19

At some point in time, the people will no longer believe the continued assertions that "this is contained." When the majority of people no longer believe, that's the time to worry.

As Mr. Bill pointed out on another thread, this bailout is the first time the US had to beckon to the call of its foreign suitors. Although we all saw it coming, it is open recognition that the US is a debtor nation, subject to the calls of its foreign financiers, just like any other third world country having to heed the calls of the IMF.

Back in July, when Congress gave Paulson the authority to bailout Freddie and Fannie, I and many others said this was a turning point in history. Remember how Paulson said "he would never use the financial bazooka" he was given. Yeah, right.

Here's a thread I started on that then:

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