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Green Energy Likely Winner, Big Oil Loser In US Senate Races

Unread postby Graeme » Fri 24 Oct 2008, 21:48:24

Green Energy Likely Winner, Big Oil Loser In US Senate Races

A strengthened Democratic majority in the U.S. Senate will likely boost the outlook for renewable-energy companies while large oil companies could be socked with a multi-billion dollar windfall profits tax next year.

Many polls predict Democrats will win a half-dozen or so U.S. Senate seats from Republicans in the Nov. 4 general election. This could give Senate Democrats a voting edge needed to approve a Renewable Portfolio Standard, or RPS, a requirement for greater alternative energy production from wind, solar and biomass.

Many Democrats promise a "new direction" in energy policy, supporting a move away from fossil fuels.

If elected, these candidates could allow Democrats to pass a windfall profits tax for Big Oil companies such as ExxonMobil (XOM), Chevron Corp. (CVX) and ConocoPhillips (COP), according to a Dow Jones Newswires review of campaign promises and polls.

There would also be more political mass to set stricter energy market regulations and to pave the way for congressional intervention of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

Given the polling numbers, "the RPS is almost a certainty," said Dave Hamilton, Sierra Club director of its Global Warming and Energy Program.


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Re: Green Energy Likely Winner, Big Oil Loser In US Senate R

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 24 Oct 2008, 23:21:46

A strengthened Democratic majority in the U.S. Senate will likely boost the outlook for renewable-energy companies while large oil companies could be socked with a multi-billion dollar windfall profits tax next year
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nope.

The new congress will have its hands full with other issues, such as the fact that the country is effectively bankrupt, is currently fighting two wars, and the industrial sector in ruins.

The current low oil pricing will take care of any oil-company "windfalls". Low pricing will set the cause of renewable energy back 10 years.

Plus, the lobbyists are still heavily involved, and it is quite likely that any energy bill will be full of unintended consequences, i.e. ethanol.
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Re: Green Energy Likely Winner, Big Oil Loser In US Senate R

Unread postby Graeme » Sat 25 Oct 2008, 01:51:35

Well, lets play devil's advocate here. Let's say that our best hope is for revival of your renewable energy industry. This is probably the only way to stimulate your economy (and worlds for that matter) and to lead to a recovery. The recent bail-out package provides incentives for this purpose.

You, as a peakist, should know that the price of oil will not stay low for long. So the "windfalls" will come back soon.

I'm far from an expert on American corporatelobbying, but I suspect that the outcome of these practices are far from predictable, and with a new Democrat President, I suspect that there will be changes in corporate influence over the next few years.

If he wants to defend a tax code that's more than 10,000 pages long and filled with loopholes written in by corporate lobbyists like the ones running his campaign, he's got every right. He has every right to defend offshore tax havens that let companies avoid paying taxes here in America. But I say, it's time to close corporate loopholes, shut offshore tax havens, and restore balance and fairness to our tax code.
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Re: Green Energy Likely Winner, Big Oil Loser In US Senate R

Unread postby pup55 » Sat 25 Oct 2008, 05:17:02

You, as a peakist, should know that the price of oil will not stay low for long. So the "windfalls" will come back soon.


of course you and I and a lot of the population of the forum know this, and even some members of the US congress know this, but a lot of the US congress (including the leadership) is in complete denial. They are stuck in the 1971 paradigm that says that there is plenty of oil, the oil companies are evil, and if we just give Detroit enough subsidies, we will be able to go back to the way things were. In your spare time, look at the rantings of Carl Levin, idiot US Senator from Michigan, who of course one of the most powerful members.

You would have to have them act rationally based on not 100% clear data, in a way that causes something other than immediate short term gratification, in the face of a welcome price collapse. In other words, you are expecting them to be mature adults.

Instead, they will act like three-year olds. They will not look beyond their immediate self interest. They will expect no sacrifices from anyone. They will not defer consumption, and they will act in a way that gets them the most contributions for the next election.

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Re: Green Energy Likely Winner, Big Oil Loser In US Senate R

Unread postby Graeme » Sat 25 Oct 2008, 06:41:35

You appear to be right about Carl Levin. Here are 27 comments about his record from some of his constituents. Is he likely to win again in Michigan?

I've just had a quick look at what the Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) means. It appears that it doesn't go far enough or fast enough considering that peak oil is likely to occur within the time frame they are talking about, i.e. 2020-25. One way or another, oil consumption will drop over the next 10 years or so. It's going to be interesting to see what's going to happen during this period.
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Re: Green Energy Likely Winner, Big Oil Loser In US Senate R

Unread postby pup55 » Sat 25 Oct 2008, 11:25:25

Levin was dragged kicking and screaming into the CAFE standards, and only then after bountiful subsidies for the auto company execs. His main method of operation is to, in a grandstanding way, demand an investigation of the oil companies any time pump prices go up by some newsworthy amount.

His main source of power is that he is chairman of the Armed Services Committee, who of course approves the development of all of the damned weapons systems, which makes him the number one pet of the infamous "military/industrial complex". He is impervious to election challenge because of an unlimited supply of campaign money from this source.

He is leading 60/40 in the polls vs. a Republican lightweight.

Guys like this are precisely why the system is so screwed up.
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Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and Green Deal

Unread postby Graeme » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 08:49:07

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that this article by Richard Heinberg is the first attempt by a senior member of the Peak Oil community to put down on paper a comprehensive strategy for the transition to a post-oil society. I'm asking members to comment on his proposal, criticise, and perhaps add policies/strategies that Richard may have missed.

Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and the Green New Deal
Our continued national dependence on fossil fuels is creating a crippling vulnerability to both long-term fuel scarcity and catastrophic climate change.

The current economic crisis requires substantial national policy shifts and enormous new government injections of capital into the economy. This provides an opportunity for a project whose scope would otherwise be inconceivable: a large-scale, coordinated energy transition away from fossil fuels and toward renewable energy.

This project must happen immediately; indeed, it may already be too late. We have already left behind the era of cheap and plentiful fossil fuels, with a permanent decline of global oil production likely underway within three years. Moreover, the latest research tells us we have less than eight years to bring carbon emissions under control if we hope to avoid catastrophic climate change. Lacking this larger frame of understanding and action, a mere shift away from foreign oil dependence will fail to meet the challenge at hand.

The energy transition must not be limited to building wind turbines and solar panels. It must include the thorough redesign of our economic and societal infrastructure, which today is utterly dependent on cheap fossil fuels. It must address not only our transportation system and our electricity grid, but also our food system and our building stock.

Our 21st century nation’s dependence on 20th century fossil fuels is the greatest threat we face, far more so than the current financial crisis. A coordinated, comprehensive transition to an economy that is no longer dependent on hydrocarbon fuels and no longer emits climate-changing levels of carbon—a Post Carbon Energy Transition—will be the Obama Administration’s greatest opportunity to lead the nation on a path toward sustainable prosperity.

We need to reduce our overall energy consumption, and restructure our economy to run primarily on renewable energy—and the federal government must lead the way. This energy transition should have five components: a massive shift to renewable energy, and a retrofitting of the four key systems of electricity, transportation, food, and buildings.

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Re: Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and Green

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 11:16:56

Is Richard Heinberg really not high profile enough to get a personal audience with Obama? I don't see why he can't meet directly with him. He's pretty much the Al Gore of Peak Oil.
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Re: Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and Green

Unread postby Petrodollar » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 12:43:51

As usual, Heinberg has provided us with a very thoughtful and impressively holisitic analysis of the scope of the problem and potential mitigation strategies. Two sections I found particularly interesting, and IMO warrant discussion:

3. Carbon and energy policy
Worldwide, there has already been much discussion of, and some experimentation with, policies to discourage fossil fuel use and encourage the transition to renewable energy sources. More exploration of such policy options is needed.

The carbon Cap-and-Trade scheme that was deployed in the European Union, in which fossil fuel companies were automatically awarded carbon credits, has tended merely to push high-polluting jobs to poorer nations, while enriching bankers with trading commissions and rewarding established polluters.

The auctioning of all carbon credits, so that existing polluters must buy them, would be a clear improvement on that system. Cap-and-Dividend or Cap-and-Share programs would go further still by promoting social equity, with the proceeds from carbon credit auctions going directly to the public to offset the impact of rising energy costs.


...here's a few other interesting ideas...

However, all such systems assume a market for fossil fuels in which severe resource scarcity plays little or no role. In fact, scarcity may partially undermine carbon trade, share, or dividend systems (no oil company would need to buy carbon credits if the supply of oil is shrinking as fast as yearly caps would otherwise mandate), while resulting in extreme price volatility that would overwhelm both individual consumers and entire industries. Under a carbon tax system, falling oil production would translate to falling government tax revenues.

A policy solution to the depletion-led scarcity dilemma might be a fuel quota rationing system administered so that the total number of quotas issued declines annually. Such a system, called Tradable Energy Quotas (TEQs), is being studied in Britain. In it, quotas of carbon or specific fossil fuels (e.g., gasoline) would be issued electronically to all adults yearly, with the information stored on a magnetic card swiped at the point of fuel purchase. Each year the total quantity of quotas would be reduced to conform either with carbon reduction targets or declining fuel availability. Consumers could sell extra quotas or purchase them as needed, with the market price reflecting aggregate supply and demand. Each consumer would thus have an immediate interest in conserving fuel. Allowances could be made for low-income citizens with temporary need for more quotas as they get rid of older cars and insulate homes.

Policy tools to directly support the deployment of renewable energy sources, such as Renewable Portfolio Standards (RPS) and Feed-in Tariffs, should also be reviewed for effectiveness, comparing existing case studies. In general, Feed-in Tariffs, in which government guarantees a price for electricity generated from renewable sources, appear to succeed in harnessing entrepreneurial zeal to the energy transition.



....the topic of education is something that I have studied somewhat over the years - and it has led to much frustration with my discussions with various educators - and I am glad that Heinberg recognizes that we need a complete revolution of our education system and the skills/values that are taught from grade school thru graduate school...

4. Education
The energy transition will result in the creation of many millions of new jobs and careers. While President-elect Obama called for the creation of five million green-collar jobs, the energy transition will in fact demand something on the order of a ten-fold increase in that goal. However, these new jobs and careers will require skill sets largely different from those currently being imparted by our educational system. {...that is an understatement...}

Because they are inexpensive, numerous, and widely dispersed, community colleges could play a central role in preparing workers for new opportunities in sustainable food production, renewable energy installation, grid rebuilding, rail expansion, public transport construction, and home energy retrofitting. {Aside from the complex financial and carbon trading issues, - the lack of a formal education program in the US and elsewhere that is tailor to impart this valauble training on all sectors of the working community: low, moderate, and highly skilled individuals - is one of key barriers to making the necessary transition...}

In order for community colleges to fill this new role, teacher training and curriculum development on a grand scale will be needed, ideally organized and coordinated at the national level through the Department of Education. {That is an excellent idea, and a serious policy issues that needs to be addressed}

This reorientation of curriculum should begin with gardening programs in all grade schools and increased course emphasis on topics related to energy and conservation.


...highly recommended reading...
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Re: Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and Green

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 21:55:08

Sadly, Heinberg is something of a koko.

I've only read one of his books (The Party is Over) but people who have read more tell me that he usually just recycle the content to support himself and his litte doomster cottage industry.

When it comes to the content itself it's a mix of energy tidbits which usually miss the point or are outright erroneous, interspersed with his own political views (which reads like a 70's hippie nightmare) mixed with 9/11 conspiracy.

The idea that he would get to meet the President elect is somewhat... deluded. :)
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Re: Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and Green

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 02:12:43

Mr. Obama has apparently already picked his main energy advisor. Gen. James Jones, his national security advisor, also has deep expertise in energy

Gen. Jones current job is President and chief executive of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's Institute for 21st Century Energy :)
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Re: Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and Green

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 02:25:23

Who would be credible enough to meet with obama then?
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Re: Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and Green

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 02:33:06

Plantagenet wrote:Gen. Jones current job is President and chief executive of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's Institute for 21st Century Energy :)

He's also on the Board of Directors of Chevron (as was Condoleeza Rice).

The more things "change" the more they remain the same.
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Re: Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and Green

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 02:59:01

seldom_seen wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:Gen. Jones current job is President and chief executive of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's Institute for 21st Century Energy :)

He's also on the Board of Directors of Chevron (as was Condoleeza Rice).

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Why do you see that as a bad thing? The people at Chevron or any other large oil corporation are in the business of delivering energy in useable forms to customers. When it gets hard to meet customer demand by pumping oil out of the ground they will be the leaders in finding another way to fill customer orders. They have the capital, the distribution network and the refining capacity in place. The only reason they are not pushing oils replacement through the system now is that oil is still the cheapest way to go today.
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Re: Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and Green

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 03:24:01

vtsnowedin wrote:Why do you see that as a bad thing?

Because in theory we were supposed to have government "by the people for the people." In reality what we got is government "by the banks and oil companies, for the banks and oil companies."

The madison avenue marketing campaign that brought us the latest president has turned out to be just that, a marketing campaign. The change we are getting is different boards of directors from the same corporations.

vtsnowedin wrote:The people at Chevron or any other large oil corporation are in the business of delivering energy in useable forms to customers.

Wrong, they're in the business to earn money for their shareholders. The fact that you can fill up your tank tomorrow is just a side effect. Trust me, when Chevron can't make money selling you gas, you won't be able to fill your tank.

vtsnowedin wrote:The only reason they are not pushing oils replacement through the system now is that oil is still the cheapest way to go today.

I gotta hear it...what is oils replacement?
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Re: Memo to the President-elect on Energy Realism and Green

Unread postby Starvid » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 05:28:31

seldom_seen wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:Gen. Jones current job is President and chief executive of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's Institute for 21st Century Energy :)

He's also on the Board of Directors of Chevron (as was Condoleeza Rice).

The more things "change" the more they remain the same.
Could people please stop bashing the IOC's? They aren't the problem.

PS. Though I'm sure Heinberg detest the oil companies. :roll:
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