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Davos 2009

Unread postby eXpat » Wed 28 Jan 2009, 10:12:46

I wonder what our overlords will discuss this year in Davos!!!
The annual World Economic Forum kicks off for the 40th year tomorrow with quite a different mood prevailing than in recent years when masters of the universe would strut their stuff and tell governments to get out of the way.

Now the pendulum has swung rapidly back the other way and it is politicians who are turning up in force to try to come up with urgent solutions to the global recession that threatens to turn into a depression to match that of the 1930s.

The wealth creators of recent years have suddenly become the wealth destroyers, although there were already many nervous people at last year's five-day conference in the frozen Alps as the credit crunch was already six months old.

Bankers, though, assured the world that they understood the problems, were fully on top of what their organisations were doing and would steer the world's economies through the downturn.
There has also been a shift from business to government – there are 40 heads of state this year, more than twice the usual number. Gordon Brown is attending, along with Germany's chancellor, Angela Merkel, Russia's prime minister, Vladimir Putin, and China's premier, Wen Jiabao.

They probably all wish that John Maynard Keynes could attend to advise them on how to solve the global financial crisis that is threatening to get worse before it starts to get better. But they can expect a powerful performance from President Barack Obama's chief economic adviser and former Treasury secretary, Larry Summers, who will take a couple of days off from putting together his boss's stimulus package for the world's biggest economy.

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Or maybe they will be comparing bunkers??

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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby cipi604 » Wed 28 Jan 2009, 11:39:26

there are 40 heads of state this year

So now... 40 people are going to make the problem go away... we are saved!
Let's go back to our consumer lives... 40 people will do it for us!

I'm wondering... if 40 people can take care of things... then the rest of 6+ bilion can make things go really really bad. What you need for that... is to starve them to death. Easy does it!
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 28 Jan 2009, 13:22:31

The BBC has some real-time tweets, and also blogging and video snips from DAVOS.

Davos.....you aren't there (but you can find out what they are talking about)

Its kind of otherworldly ..... the ultra-rich are complaining about having to share helicopter rides to the airport and such horrors.
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 28 Jan 2009, 19:30:25

Oh, the sign says "Committed to Improving the State of the World." Well, that certainly sounds reassuring.
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby patience » Wed 28 Jan 2009, 21:51:56

Won't the result be more of the same BS and smke we saw last time?
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby Temperedoil » Thu 29 Jan 2009, 00:25:20

patience wrote:Won't the result be more of the same BS and smke we saw last time?


This year is different.
Budget smoke and Bailout Surprise.

With, of course, the right mix of cheer and gloom so that we can keep spending whilst being aware that our leaders are aware that times are a bit tougher than they had expected this year to be when they last met.
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby nocar » Thu 29 Jan 2009, 05:38:19

Could be a rumour, but apparently they are so shook-up that they consider sharing their helicopter transfers.
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby eXpat » Thu 29 Jan 2009, 07:58:55

Temperedoil wrote:
patience wrote:Won't the result be more of the same BS and smke we saw last time?


This year is different.
Budget smoke and Bailout Surprise.

With, of course, the right mix of cheer and gloom so that we can keep spending whilst being aware that our leaders are aware that times are a bit tougher than they had expected this year to be when they last met.

Yep, some hard looks to the US but we can get over this message:
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has told the World Economic Forum in Davos that the global financial crisis is a "perfect storm" whose destructive powers have been multiplied.

Putin compared the economic meltdown to the Great Depression of the late 1920s and early '30s, but said the difference this time is that every country in the world has been affected.

"In an era of globalization, the crisis has affected all countries without exception, regardless of their political or economic system," Putin said. "All countries have found themselves in the same boat."

Putin said he did not blame the United States for the crisis, but he reminded his audience that at last year's Davos forum, then-U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the U.S. economy was fundamentally stable.

"I will remind you that only a year ago we heard our American friends talk on this podium about the fundamental stability and unclouded future of the U.S. economy," Putin said. "Today, Wall Street's pride -- investment banks -- have practically ceased to exist. In a matter of one year, they had to acknowledge losses exceeding their profits for a quarter of a century."

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DAVOS, Switzerland — The leaders of the former bastions of the Communist bloc took the stage here on Wednesday to rebuke their capitalist brothers for dragging the world into crisis but also to assure them that, working together, they can rapidly restore the global economy to health.
In the official opening address of the World Economic Forum, Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin of Russia spoke of a financial “perfect storm” that has decimated the old system, rendering it obsolete.

“A year ago, American delegates speaking from this rostrum emphasized the U.S. economy’s fundamental stability and its cloudless prospects,” he said, speaking through a translator. “Today, investment banks, the pride of Wall Street, have virtually ceased to exist.”

But the damage goes beyond Wall Street, he said. “The entire economic growth system, where one regional center prints money without respite and consumes material wealth, while another regional center manufactures inexpensive goods and saves money printed by other governments, has suffered a major setback.”

The Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao, left little doubt that Beijing blamed the United States for the economic breakdown. “Inappropriate macroeconomic policies,” an “unsustainable model of development characterized by prolonged low savings and high consumption,” the “blind pursuit of profit” and “the failure of financial supervision” all contributed, he said.
Like Mr. Putin, he was upbeat about prospects for the future and expressed an eagerness to work with the West on solving common economic problems.

Mr. Wen was eager to assure investors that China was poised to rebound. “I can give you a definitive answer,” he said of the prospect that his economy would recover strongly. “Yes, it will; we are full of confidence.”

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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby bratticus » Thu 29 Jan 2009, 15:51:51

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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby Maddog78 » Thu 29 Jan 2009, 16:04:43

The Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao, left little doubt that Beijing blamed the United States for the economic breakdown. “Inappropriate macroeconomic policies,” an “unsustainable model of development characterized by prolonged low savings and high consumption,” the “blind pursuit of profit” and “the failure of financial supervision” all contributed, he said.



and China didn't encourage & benefit from this at all?
Who was buying up US debt like there was no tomorrow and shipping boatloads of cheap crap as fast as they could build the factories to do it?
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby davep » Thu 29 Jan 2009, 16:37:56

I think what's different is that in the past at Davos, global political leaders were the courtiers to global corporations. Suddenly, the emperor has no clothes and we are seeing a power shift. But our witless leaders aren't ready to change the paradigm.
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby Temperedoil » Fri 30 Jan 2009, 10:31:35

Maddog78 wrote:
The Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao, left little doubt that Beijing blamed the United States for the economic breakdown. “Inappropriate macroeconomic policies,” an “unsustainable model of development characterized by prolonged low savings and high consumption,” the “blind pursuit of profit” and “the failure of financial supervision” all contributed, he said.



and China didn't encourage & benefit from this at all?
Who was buying up US debt like there was no tomorrow and shipping boatloads of cheap crap as fast as they could build the factories to do it?


This is where one of those golden rules of humanity comes into play:

Always blame somebody else.
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby deMolay » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 08:51:38

I see they are making a big fuss because Obama's stimulus package states that all steel used in stimulus has to be USA made. I for one can't fault him on that. I can't see why the US taxpayer should have to buy steel made in another country when trying to save US jobs.
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby Revi » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 08:59:54

I think that the stimulus should be used to create as many jobs as possible here in the US. If that means that we source the material here, fine. It will do a lot more than the 350 billion we gave to the fatcats to keep the banking system alive.
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 20:05:06

The Best of the Best, the Bright Bulbs we pay $100M Bonuses to for their Talent and Insight came up with the following conclusions at the Davos gathering of Pigmen:

One top money market manager said: "If you believe that the world economy will turn the corner at the end of this year, or in [the first quarter] of 2010, I tell you we have not turned the corner, we can't see the corner, we don't even know where the corner is."

Another participant summed up the state of the discussion as "we don't know what to do, only that we need to do something and we need to do it fast".


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Please refresh my memory, just why is it we have these guys on the payroll?

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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 20:32:25

ReverseEngineer wrote:The Best of the Best, the Bright Bulbs we pay $100M Bonuses to for their Talent and Insight came up with the following conclusions at the Davos gathering of Pigmen:

One top money market manager said: "If you believe that the world economy will turn the corner at the end of this year, or in [the first quarter] of 2010, I tell you we have not turned the corner, we can't see the corner, we don't even know where the corner is."

Another participant summed up the state of the discussion as "we don't know what to do, only that we need to do something and we need to do it fast".


BBC

Please refresh my memory, just why is it we have these guys on the payroll?

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Because we don't have a choice in the matter.

Only corrupt and stupid people run for office.

Some of these people we now have "serving us" were making anywhere from 2 - 20 times what they are making now.
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Re: Davos 2009

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 20:37:51

jasonraymondson wrote:Because we don't have a choice in the matter.


That is absurd. You always have choices. At the last, the choice would be between offing yourself or fighting for what is right.

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