[Serial_Worrier]

If TPTB shut down sites like this, will that cause you to go into full doomstead mode if you aren't already?

[copious.abundance]

TPTB are not going to shut down this site.

[Serial_Worrier]

TPTB are not going to shut down this site.

Sites like this go against TPTB "everything is fine" mantra, and they definitely are into shutting down all dissent.

[ReverseEngineer]

TPTB are not going to shut down this site.

Sites like this go against TPTB "everything is fine" mantra, and they definitely are into shutting down all dissent.

TPTB won't shut down the board, they will just infiltrate the Moderating Team. Or maybe they already have....bwahahahahahah.

Reverse Engineer

[copious.abundance]

TPTB are not going to shut down this site.

Sites like this go against TPTB "everything is fine" mantra, and they definitely are into shutting down all dissent.

I can show you forums dealing with subject matters which are far, far worse to TPTB than peak oil, but which are alive and kicking even after many years. TPTB cannot shut them down because, at least in the US, we have something called "free speech."

This site had been up for - what? - 5 years now? If TPTB wanted it shut down, it would be gone already.

If that weren't enough, many of TPTB believe in peak oil and other resource shortage issues, so that makes it even less likely for them to shut this site down.

[Rod_Cloutier]

The so called 'Blogsphere' is the least censored news source ever. If one web site is shut down, people just move on to another. Peakoil.com is one of the least moderated sites I visit for news daily.

Internet news, in particular individual forum postings are, in my opinion, the most accurate and consice up do date news available anywhere. Forums, whether on this site or on others, allow for the true realization of 'free speech' by anyone from anywhere to connect with others. Personal, unedited, unscripted content largely without oversight is the best source of news anywhere.

Spend months reading only 'blogsphere' internet news, and you will never want to go back to the heavily edited, censored, conservative and 'politically correct' news that you find in newspapers, magazines, radio news and television.

I can't read a newspaper or magazine now without implictly recognizing the censorship slant of the publication. I can't sit and watch television news without the Orwellian feeling that I am being fed censored propaganda.

long live the blogsphere!

[Serial_Worrier]

The so called 'Blogsphere' is the least censored news source ever. If one web site is shut down, people just move on to another. Peakoil.com is one of the least moderated sites I visit for news daily.

Internet news, in particular individual forum postings are, in my opinion, the most accurate and consice up do date news available anywhere. Forums, whether on this site or on others, allow for the true realization of 'free speech' by anyone from anywhere to connect with others. Personal, unedited, unscripted content largely without oversight is the best source of news anywhere.

Spend months reading only 'blogsphere' internet news, and you will never want to go back to the heavily edited, censored, conservative and 'politically correct' news that you find in newspapers, magazines, radio news and television.

I can't read a newspaper or magazine now without implictly recognizing the censorship slant of the publication. I can't sit and watch television news without the Orwellian feeling that I am being fed censored propaganda.

long live the blogsphere!

That's what TPTB want you to believe, just like the people in the Matrix believed they were "free".

[Rod_Cloutier]

The powers that be, believe their own propaganda! Talk to anyone you know who is in an establishment position; such as a police official, a government lawyer, a CEO or such. These people who only read and hear the censored media content of newspapers, magazines and TV- they won't know a fraction of the real news that is out there on the blogsphere.

The won't know that the world economy would have completely tanked if the US government hadn't bailed out AIG in October last year. They won't know about the impending threats of peak oil. They will have no understanding of the implications of systemic collapse, entropy, die off, or lynch mobs.

The powers that be have little or no understanding of the true power of blogsphere news. Anything that isn't mainstream and conservative is beyond their comprehension. They also reject non-establishment ideas. So they also reject internet news as irrelevant, marginal, and counter-culture in content, leaving themselves victims to their own mindset.

Try it! Ask people in power who don't use the internet- then you'll have your answer.

[ReverseEngineer]

I tend to agree that the censorship of the internet will not be highly successful, any more than the plethora of laws against child pornography have been successful. As long as the material is produced in some fashion, it will get out in some fashion. To stop the flow of dissenting ideas, you have to stop their production, you can't stop the distribution as long as the medium exists.

However, it is questionable how long the internet as a medium will continue to exist. Economically keeping all the servers running and all the Network Engineers employed to keep it all up and running is very costly. I see it breaking down in pieces over time, and servers that host the Bloggers disappearing as their revenue disappears.

Local networks will probably appear in places, and I can even see eventually packets of information being fired off across the shortwave HAM network eventually between dissidents and those fighting the battle against tyranny. As Evil always meets the Scales of Justice however, so also is it true that information always finds a way to get out, regardless of the Propaganda and the control the state has over the media. Censorship always fails, because Information wants to be Free.

Reverse Engineer

[Jotapay]

You need to read up on Internet 2.0 and how they will censor all sites like this.

[Micki]

And the approach seems to be not by changing laws but simply by putting you on a list.

Take Rahms recent comments on gun ownership; If you are on the no fly list you are KNOW maybe a possible a terrorist and therefore you are NOT part of the American family and should NOT be allowed gun ownership.
The list has well over a million names already of people who are KNOWN to maybe be possible terrorists.
Hear it from hells spawns own mouth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vp7f1QKYmg


Same think now with the clean feed Internet censorship currently being trialled in Australia.
It is based on blocking of inappropriate content not becasue it is illegal but because someone in a decision making process deemed it inappropriate.
Sure you've seen the post about exactly the same being proposed for US now.
USA: http://www.peakoil.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=50864&hilit=censorship
AUSTRALIA: http://www.peakoil.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=35488&hilit=censorship

So if they want to block PO it can be done accidentally by simply mistakenly adding it to the list or worse case they get a few trolls in to say things that make the site inappropriate and voila, it's on the list.

[seldom_seen]

I can't read a newspaper or magazine now without implictly recognizing the censorship slant of the publication. I can't sit and watch television news without the Orwellian feeling that I am being fed censored propaganda.

I know someone who gets their news primarily from the New York Times.

I will often discuss current events with this person, I will mention stories or trends that I just assume are common knowledge. They'll be like "huh? what? I never heard anything about that...what are you talking about?"

[SoothSayer]

Why would PO be censored? What's dangerous about it?

Censorship - or more likely someone coming around to your house for 'a quiet word' with you - is going to be reserved for IMPORTANT stuff.

For example, if you start a web site posting on how to build an atom bomb for $100 THEN you will have problems!

Wasn't there once an Australian who started a web site on building home-made cruise missiles ... and then found his life ruined ... by the TAX people? That's the way real-life works.

[vision-master]

So if they want to block PO it can be done accidentally by simply mistakenly adding it to the list or worse case they get a few trolls in to say things that make the site inappropriate and voila, it's on the list.

I think over 50% of web forums would be on this list.

[Arsenal]

TPTB do not give a rats $#%$ about this site. They are looking for the people that don't vent online but are in their basement working on "pipe designs".

[Rod_Cloutier]

Less than 5 minutes of googling the internet and I was able to find detailed specifications for building nuclear weapons:

http://whyfiles.org/198find_nukes/2.html

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/neutronics/ ... b.html#III

And also detailed plans on how to build a homemade H-Bomb (Thermonuclear weapon):

http://members.fortunecity.com/reactor1967/nuke.html

Obviously, if the United States and other countries don't even want or care to suppress this kind of dangerous information, then they could care less for casual discussions about oil depletion.

[efarmer]

I know a lot of good folks in Missouri who have been terrified of
TPTB taking their guns, Bibles, land, lifestyle, and culture from them.
They got so far out there that one of the major political parties used
their fear to rob them blind and prop up people who would otherwise
simply not make the cut based on their delivery of useful leadership.

Freedom demands vigilance and bravery, but when someone tells
you that being scared all the time is preservation of freedom,
you are being slimed.

I have been censored here a few times for being off topic, or silly in
a serious thread, but to date, I have not been censored for any
beliefs or expressions and I think that says the most important
thing about this site.

In fact, you can't even get censored here for fear mongering and
analyzing everything until it turns into a hell no.

[Pops]

They got so far out there that one of the major political parties used
their fear to rob them blind and prop up people who would otherwise
simply not make the cut based on their delivery of useful leadership.

Fight or flight is a basic survival mechanism - no surprise it is used to sell everything from halitosis remedies to war.

The only worry those here should have is too many Members posting too much stuff like what Repent just did.

[Serial_Worrier]

Some of you won't believe it until the TPTB literally come roust you in the middle of the night to take you to the gulag. By then, it's too late.

[Ludi]

Some of you won't believe it until the TPTB literally come roust you in the middle of the night to take you to the gulag. By then, it's too late.

What would "believing" enable us to do which would protect us from TPTB?