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Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby misterno » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 20:42:08

Are people and governments nuts?? How did they allow this?

http://jamesptaylor.wordpress.com/2007/ ... lic-water/
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Re: Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 20:44:45

They didn't allow it.

They fought against it and won.
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Re: Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby Jotapay » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 22:11:05

It is illegal to collect your rain water in Colorado though, right now.
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Re: Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 22:22:56

Jotapay wrote:It is illegal to collect your rain water in Colorado though, right now.


That's odd. In Arlington we practically require (through heavy incentives) that all new commercial and multi-family construction retain the storm water onsite. Then this is used for greywater activities like watering landscaping or powerwashing sidewalks. This reduces water useage and helps the storm sewer capacity and reduces urban runoff into the chesapeak bay. Why does Colorado do that?

Edit: Well, I found this (it does seem there is a lot to know in Colorado about this topic)

The diversion and use of rainwater is subject to the Constitution of the State of Colorado, state statutes, and case law. New Colorado residents should understand that water rights in Colorado are unique compared to other parts of the country. The use of water in this state and other western states is governed by what is known as the prior appropriation doctrine. This system of water allocation controls who uses how much water, the types of uses allowed, and when those waters can be used. A simplified way to explain this system is often referred to as the priority system or "first in time, first in right."

An appropriation is made when an individual physically takes water from a stream or well (when legally available) and puts that water to beneficial use. The first person to appropriate water and apply that water to use has the first right to that water within a particular stream system. This person, after receiving a court decree verifying their priority status, then becomes the senior water right holder and that water right must be satisfied before any other water rights are filled. In Colorado, the State Engineer has the statutory obligation to protect all vested water rights. The process of allocating water to various water users is traditionally referred to as water rights administration, and is the responsibility of the Division of Water Resources.

Of course, the appropriation system is much more complicated than described above. Some priorities on major stream systems in Colorado date back to the 1850's, and most of the stream systems have been over-appropriated, meaning that at some or all times of the year, a call for water even by a senior appropriator is not satisfied. Practically speaking, this means that in most river drainages, a person cannot divert rainwater and put it to a beneficial use without a plan for augmentation that replaces the stream depletions associated with that diversion. In most areas of Colorado, the only sure legal way to use rainwater is to direct roof gutter downspouts to drain to landscape areas you wish to water.


It is recommended that before you develop a rainwater harvesting system you check with the Colorado Division of Water Resources and your local building, zoning, and environmental departments to determine what plumbing requirements, local restrictions, neighborhood covenants, or other regulations or guidelines might apply to your project. Rainwater catchments, distribution systems, and landscape holding areas must be located and used entirely within the property boundaries of the individual or entity building using the system. These systems must be maintained in an acceptable manner and not cause damage or interference to neighboring property. Standards for construction must be consistent with industry standards or as determined by the local administrative authority.
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Re: Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby alokin » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 23:21:57

This is what the big companies do nowadays: istead of manufactoring cars, washing machines or brushes, they grab for the bare necessities of our lives. This is food (Monsato), water, but breathing is sill free.
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Re: Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby lowem » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 09:40:21

Okay, now to figure out how to :

1. go long on rain
2. go long on water

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Re: Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby timmac » Tue 12 May 2009, 19:32:59

That's funny, Colorado residents have to ask there State Government for permission to use there rain water, however all the rain/snow that falls on the Western Rockies becomes a Big Lake in Nevada and I and others can use all the water we want from Lake Mead without asking our Government, Thanks Colorado residents for giving us all your water.. :mrgreen:
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Re: Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 12 May 2009, 21:55:32

Texas encourages rainwater collection. There's no sales tax on tanks purchased for rainwater collection.

http://www.twdb.state.tx.us/iwt/Rainwater.asp

http://www.texrca.org/

http://rainwaterharvesting.tamu.edu/
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Re: Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 12 May 2009, 22:49:21

Rainwater in most of the western US is privately owned. It's one of those Alice in Wonderland moments in government. Lots of the local governments around here sell rain barrels to collect the rainwater from your gutters, but they're technically illegal. If somebody complains about it, the Department of Ecology can bring legal action against you for using one.
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Re: Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby Annady17 » Mon 25 May 2009, 03:26:51

Tyler_JC wrote:They didn't allow it.

They fought against it and won.

Really? Well, glad to hear that!
But what makes them won the fight?




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Re: Privatizing rain water????

Unread postby turner » Mon 25 May 2009, 11:14:27

This has been discussed in drought stricken Australia in the past. The argument is that you're taking water from the water table so you should pay for it, but really it's just another money making opportunity. It didn't get much airplay at the time but I suspect it will come up again.
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