[misterno]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Airlines- ... &ccode=TBD

What will happen if oil rises more?

[AgentR]

Sorry, but I will not be treated as some subject behind the Iron Curtain just to zip around in the air to somewhere I don't need to go.

They can all go belly up bankrupt for all I care.
Good riddance.

[gollum]

Couldn't agree more, I will hopefully never fly again.

[Schmuto]

Air carriers are dead men walking.

Only a matter of time.

[Tanada]

If the airlines all stop flying a BIG portion of the global dimming in Earths energy budget goes with them. Can we aford all that additional sunshine making it to the surface and heating things up?

[misterno]

If airlines business stops global warming roars

you don't want that, there is a reason illuminati created airline business

[Maddog78]

I hate what air travel has become but what are you going to do?
In my business you have to fly.

[AirlinePilot]

Its wishful thinking to believe we are going to stop flying. I think down the road it will happen that we shrink the industry, but for now we will just keep cutting back until we cant anymore. Might be years before it gets ugly for those of us in this industry. Not that it already hasnt taken its toll to be sure, but I dont see any drastic action in the near term.

Traveling by air has become a cultural thing. Its not like it used to be, only for the rich and famous. now its about everyone being able to have the freedom to travel and that will not be easily let go.

[AgentR]

now its about everyone being able to have the freedom to travel and that will not be easily let go.

I gave it up.
Wasn't that hard really.
Except for the tiny, tiny minority of people who must fly in the course of their jobs, most of us can pass if we so choose.

I think its time to so choose.

[RedStateGreen]

I gave it up too.

I refuse to subject myself to being treated like a criminal in order for a short-term convenience. The airports can go to hell for all I care.

[threadbear]

When I was a kid, only the rich flew more than once or twice in their lifetimes. We'll return to that state of affairs and the airlines will, again, treat their passengers with respect.

[Boris555]

If it takes no more than a day to drive there, I find it's almost as fast (sometimes faster) and always a lot cheaper to drive.

Nowadays travel by air eats up nearly an entire day of the trip anyway.
Example: my last ski trip
Airport is an hour from the house.
Got to get there at least an hour before departure
Fly an hour+.
Change planes, layover two hours
Fly another hour+.
An hour to get bags and rent a car.
Two hours drive to ski area.
Eat crappy, expensive meals in airports

Total time house to destination by flying would be ~10 hours each way
Total travel cost would be about $1600 (3 airline tix, car rental for one week, gas, food)

I drove instead.
Total time from house to destination: 13 hours (including meal stops) each way
Total travel cost was about $200 (gas and food)

So basically I saved $1400 in exchange for an extra 3 hours each way of traveling. Plus we had nicer meals, didn't worry about lost baggage, got to see scenery, got to stop and stretch and have a snack when we felt like it, got to take as much extra luggage as we wanted...but most of all, we didn't have to show our papers and get treated like criminals.

[Javaman]

If it takes no more than a day to drive there, I find it's almost as fast (sometimes faster) and always a lot cheaper to drive.

Nowadays travel by air eats up nearly an entire day of the trip anyway.
Example: my last ski trip
Airport is an hour from the house.
Got to get there at least an hour before departure
Fly an hour+.
Change planes, layover two hours
Fly another hour+.
An hour to get bags and rent a car.
Two hours drive to ski area.
Eat crappy, expensive meals in airports

Total time house to destination by flying would be ~10 hours each way
Total travel cost would be about $1600 (3 airline tix, car rental for one week, gas, food)

I drove instead.
Total time from house to destination: 13 hours (including meal stops) each way
Total travel cost was about $200 (gas and food)

So basically I saved $1400 in exchange for an extra 3 hours each way of traveling. Plus we had nicer meals, didn't worry about lost baggage, got to see scenery, got to stop and stretch and have a snack when we felt like it, got to take as much extra luggage as we wanted...but most of all, we didn't have to show our papers and get treated like criminals.

You might want to remove or cover up any political bumper stickers you might have, if you are going to be driving through the "Show Me Some ID" state.

[mos6507]

In the northeast a lot of families are like mine--split between the younger generation here and retirees in Florida. When air travel is no longer affordable, families are going to get cutoff. A big reason I moved from California back to MA was to avoid coast-to-coast air travel, but I still have to worry about my mom's retirement home in Florida. Families are going to have to make some judgment calls, whether it's more important to be able to visit eachother or to live where they really want to live.

[smallpoxgirl]

One of the issues for the airlines is that they took long positions in oil futures last summer. Apparently about the same time that they were raising holy hell about "speculators" driving up oil prices, they were doing the same thing. Now I'm sure they'll be bitching and hewing about how unfair the futures markets are and how everyone should be fully indemnified against their losses in futures.

[Mesuge]

Once upon the time, the U.S. leaders decided it will be practical and short of survival necessity for the times of cold war to have dense national highway system ala Hitler's Germany.

Well, it certainly stimulated the economy in the comming decades, but imagine if they have built instead a fast railway system, at least 100mph for passanger rail system and perhaps less for cargo..

benefits:

- less urban sprawl
- less ICE madness
- higher incentive for developing/deploying last mile passenger & cargo EVs
- higher return on investments
- more enviro friendly
- higher productivity for the economy/worker
..
.