WASHINGTON, Jan. 7 — Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study.
Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bush’s tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top — especially the top 1 percent of income earners.
Though tax cuts for the rich were bigger than those for other groups, the wealthiest families paid a bigger share of total taxes. That is because their incomes have climbed far more rapidly, and the gap between rich and poor has widened in the last several years.
Tax cuts were much deeper, and affected far more money, for families in the highest income categories. Households in the top 1 percent of earnings, which had an average income of $1.25 million, saw their effective individual tax rates drop to 19.6 percent in 2004 from 24.2 percent in 2000. The rate cut was twice as deep as for middle-income families, and it translated to an average tax cut of almost $58,000.
3aidlillahi wrote:Alex, are you one of the top income earners?.
3aidlillahi wrote:Doesn't make my head explode. It's pretty basic. Even if we had a flat tax, the richest 1% would still pay a massive amount in taxes compared to the rest. The richest 10% make nearly half of the income. They make even more when you factor in things like capital gains. Thus, that they pay 70% of the income taxes is not that outrageous.
Not to mention, there are taxes that affect the lower and middle classes more so than upper classes such as cigarette and gasoline taxes. If you spend $100 on gasoline taxes making $20,000 a year, it's a much greater burden on you than if you spend $200 on gasoline taxes (driving a Lexus) making $200,000 a year.
Alex, are you one of the top income earners?
Anyway, this is why we should go to a Shari'ah income tax system. No income tax. Only a tax on your assets of 2.5%, across the board. Any income taxes are considered bid'ah and thus illegal - grounds for removing the government.
3aidlillahi wrote:Anyway, this is why we should go to a Shari'ah income tax system. No income tax. Only a tax on your assets of 2.5%, across the board. Any income taxes are considered bid'ah and thus illegal - grounds for removing the government.
dinopello wrote:3aidlillahi wrote:Doesn't make my head explode. It's pretty basic. Even if we had a flat tax, the richest 1% would still pay a massive amount in taxes compared to the rest. The richest 10% make nearly half of the income. They make even more when you factor in things like capital gains. Thus, that they pay 70% of the income taxes is not that outrageous.
Not to mention, there are taxes that affect the lower and middle classes more so than upper classes such as cigarette and gasoline taxes. If you spend $100 on gasoline taxes making $20,000 a year, it's a much greater burden on you than if you spend $200 on gasoline taxes (driving a Lexus) making $200,000 a year.
Alex, are you one of the top income earners?
Anyway, this is why we should go to a Shari'ah income tax system. No income tax. Only a tax on your assets of 2.5%, across the board. Any income taxes are considered bid'ah and thus illegal - grounds for removing the government.
You can make the case for many ways of taxation. There is a lot of sense in taxing accumulated wealth rather than income. Would that encourage high wage owners to mostly spend their incomes on non-durable goods and services (good food, wine, "massages" etc ?). Sounds interesting! .
Yeah....there is an idea, its worked so well in the middle east
While we are at it we can wrap our women in burqas and treat them like second class citizens and stone homosexuals.
George Bernard Shaw puts up some pretty strong arguments against, basically the means of production/tools are accumulated wealth (or capital) and if you taxed them, where does the money come from.
3aidlillahi wrote:George Bernard Shaw puts up some pretty strong arguments against, basically the means of production/tools are accumulated wealth (or capital) and if you taxed them, where does the money come from.
That's a pretty weak argument.
1) If you tax income, then you reduce your ability to accumulate wealth. Thus, you're still left with the same problem. If you tax income at 2.5% rather than wealth at 2.5%, then you're left with the same amount of 97.5% left.
2) This is still a tax of just 2.5%. That leaves 97.5% left.
Further, this is only a tax at the end of the year. The more money that you spend, the less you have, but the less the tax burden is. Thus, this is a motivator to spend. Now, with an income tax, we have a motivator to not work. Thus, on one side, you have an increase in economic activity as expenditures and expansion of businesses drive the economy and on the other hand you have a system which punishes those who work.
Is your house counted as "wealth" how about your car? What about your other possessions? Or, is "wealth" just the cash you have on hand at the end of the year?
I believe hair is also to be covered. However, I'm not sure if that restriction comes from the Koran or the Hadith.
I think, with assets tax at 2.5% you would deliver either dismantling of large proportion of infrastructure (many businesses are working on very slim profit margin)
alternatively you would make most of assets close to worthless by means of market forces.
3aidlillahi wrote:alternatively you would make most of assets close to worthless by means of market forces.
That makes no sense at all.
Infrastructure is not included in the category of the items that would be taxed. Most businesses would pay zero tax since the business owner would be inclined to invest as much as possible into new technologies, more employees, new machinery, expansion of business, etc.
If one is to buy $ 1 million worth property and then have to pay $25000 tax every year, he will think twice.
Then what are these?
3aidlillahi wrote:If one is to buy $ 1 million worth property and then have to pay $25000 tax every year, he will think twice.
Housing isn't taxed. Read above.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:3aidlillahi wrote:If one is to buy $ 1 million worth property and then have to pay $25000 tax every year, he will think twice.
Housing isn't taxed. Read above.
Then which classes of assets are taxed as per this system?
3aidlillahi wrote:
Already discussed above. Read.
3aidlillahi wrote:There are differences between each school, but according to Shafi'i (2nd largest, which I follow), only cash (PM's, currencies) and agricultural gains are taxed. So I guess that is an income tax, if you're a farmer. There are minimums that you need - such as like 40 animals or 650 kg of net dry production. This is only if they graze on unowned land.
So are you suggesting to scrap all the taxes except 2.5% annual tax on your spare cash and some small taxes on farmers?
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