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Peak Oil & MSM Attention Reveals A New Economic Pattern

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 21:14:39

Look out everybody. Suddenly, the mainstream media is talking about peak oil, as if they've been just as concerned all along. This spells trouble for the world economy as it is a significant change in behavior from the mainstream outlets.

It is absolutely true and we've been saying it for years - oil production has hit its peak in most of the world. In fact, it has hit its peak everywhere except for Iraq, Kuwait and the mother of all oil producers, Saudi Arabia. On top of that, production expenses continue to rise as it becomes more and more difficult to drill for oil. But even many of us who have been following these developments for years have been humbled by our reduced expectations of oil demand due to the economic collapse. It seems that $150 crude oil (OIL) can turn around and destroy the world economy, which in turn significantly drops its oil demand to a point where we can suddenly be looking at $30 crude oil.

Now that oil has recovered to over $70, the media has suddenly woken up again. And dare I say it, we may have created a monster.

This story has yet to capture the attention of the mainstream in America. This story has scared us inquisitive thoughtful people for years. But what happens when more Americans really know that, "it's running out," as Matt Damon's character said in the Hollywood movie, Syriana.

What happens is exactly what happened in 2008: high priced oil followed by an economic collapse. Welcome to part two of America and the planet's new drama, the potential that investors altogether jump into oil for safety and take it up to a point where it once again cripples the economy and, ironically, reduces the demand for oil once again. Perhaps we hadn't considered it before and this cycle, happening over and over again, is the future of how the world deals with its energy problem. Oil goes up to high levels, the economy collapses, oil demand is reduced, blame for the economic collapse goes elsewhere and people downplay the previous oil run-up, followed by a slight economic recovery, and repeat all over again. This would likely result in, at best, a long term stagnating economy which struggles to balance its demand for oil with a constant attempt to recover.

For those of us who were thinking of a simplistic straight up rise in oil prices, what the market psychology and underlying effects of our fears are telling us is that we will likely actually witness dramatic overreactions in the market, causing economic instability followed by underestimating the underlying problem, and then another overreaction. So buckle your safety belts because it may be time for another dramatic overreaction for now. If oil's true value is $100, for example, don't expect investors to stop there, not at least until the rest of the world economy begs for mercy.
http://www.marketrap.com/article/view_article/9193/peak-oil-getting-mainstream-attention-reveals-a-new-economic-pattern

I think I said this very thing after the last price run-up and crash (as did others on this site). Peak oil, I think, will not be about shortages so much as a pattern of economic events. We'll recover, crash down due to high oil prices, recover again only to slide further back. This will continue until our country resembles India and/or Latin America.

I think this new reality will eventually become evident to the masses, and that will be a Depressing day when the sheeple realize there will be no reocvery, ever -- only a painfully slow slide downward.
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Re: Peak Oil & MSM Attention Reveals A New Economic Pattern

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 13 Jun 2009, 00:04:04

Sixstrings wrote: We'll recover, crash down due to high oil prices, recover again only to slide further back. This will continue until our country resembles India and/or Latin America.

I think this new reality will eventually become evident to the masses, and that will be a Depressing day when the sheeple realize there will be no reocvery, ever -- only a painfully slow slide downward.


Perhaps we should do something about the problem rather then giving up.

Some politicians are well aware of the peak oil issue. For instance, one of Obama's campaign promises during the election was to get our country off foreign oil. He wasn't very clear about how he will do it, but it he succeeds, then the problem goes away.

Similarly McCain during the campaign proposed to build 50 nukes to replace foreign oil and coal, and the republicans in Congress now are putting forward a proposal to build 100 new nukes by 2010. If this would happen, it would go a long way to providing power for an electric train and electric urban rail network that could allow our country to operate at some kind of modern level without oil.
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Re: Peak Oil & MSM Attention Reveals A New Economic Pattern

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 13 Jun 2009, 03:24:27

Plantagenet wrote:
Sixstrings wrote: We'll recover, crash down due to high oil prices, recover again only to slide further back. This will continue until our country resembles India and/or Latin America.

I think this new reality will eventually become evident to the masses, and that will be a Depressing day when the sheeple realize there will be no reocvery, ever -- only a painfully slow slide downward.


Perhaps we should do something about the problem rather then giving up.

Some politicians are well aware of the peak oil issue. For instance, one of Obama's campaign promises during the election was to get our country off foreign oil. He wasn't very clear about how he will do it, but it he succeeds, then the problem goes away.

Similarly McCain during the campaign proposed to build 50 nukes to replace foreign oil and coal, and the republicans in Congress now are putting forward a proposal to build 100 new nukes by 2010. If this would happen, it would go a long way to providing power for an electric train and electric urban rail network that could allow our country to operate at some kind of modern level without oil.


Plant, where will we find the money to pay for this grand retrofit, a New America powered on corn ethanol, green shoots, and a hundred nuke plants? A nuke plant alone costs 6 bil, so that's 600 billion just for McCain's proposal, and after the pork gets added in and the construction budgets overrun, it would be a trillion at least.

Not to mention the fact that nobody wants a nuke plant or toxic waste dump in their backyard. AND don't forget that the nation's electrical grid would need rebuilding to power an all-electric fleet -- there's another half trillion. On top of all this, much of this nation's less exciting infrastructure (bridges, sewers, plumbing, etc.) is falling apart and needs replaced.

Add to that the doomed pension funds, bankrupt states, and the coming medicare and social security implosions. Oh, and let's not forget the government needs all the money it can get to continue bailing out banks and those lucky businesses deemed "too big to fail."

And let's not forget wars, those cost a lot of money too -- still no end in sight in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we've got pots cooking in NK and Iran. The military industrial complex is a monster that needs feeding, don't ya know.

So Plant, where is the money for all this going to come from?
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Re: Peak Oil & MSM Attention Reveals A New Economic Pattern

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 13 Jun 2009, 09:36:58

Sixstrings wrote:So Plant, where is the money for all this going to come from?


From Iraq.
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Re: Peak Oil & MSM Attention Reveals A New Economic Pattern

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 13 Jun 2009, 09:38:07

Mad Max time a comming......... 8O
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Re: Peak Oil & MSM Attention Reveals A New Economic Pattern

Unread postby nobodypanic » Sat 13 Jun 2009, 12:19:37

Carlhole wrote:
Sixstrings wrote:So Plant, where is the money for all this going to come from?


From Iraq.

no no, he asked where is the money going to come from, not where it might be going to be flushed down a toilet. :-D
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Re: Peak Oil & MSM Attention Reveals A New Economic Pattern

Unread postby Nano » Sat 13 Jun 2009, 14:09:25

Sixstrings wrote:I think I said this very thing after the last price run-up and crash (as did others on this site). Peak oil, I think, will not be about shortages so much as a pattern of economic events. We'll recover, crash down due to high oil prices, recover again only to slide further back. [...]


This pattern was already debated long ago, on this site's forum and in articles on other websites.

In general, reading the news and commentary about current events in todays media is like revisiting this site and it's news feed about 4 years ago. It's surreal.
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Re: Peak Oil & MSM Attention Reveals A New Economic Pattern

Unread postby pablonite » Sat 13 Jun 2009, 19:04:49

Plantagenet wrote:For instance, one of Obama's campaign promises during the election was to get our country off foreign oil. He wasn't very clear about how he will do it, but it he succeeds, then the problem goes away.

Looks like the problem is going to go away by completely crashing the biggest economy and customer, the spinoff effect in China will be huge to boot.

Throw in GM food poisoning and excessive water flouridation, the population can be subdued and reduced while the mainstream media fills all the brains with scapegoats.

Obama hails from the CFR, he is just another elite internationalist with the complete dismantling of America being his number one priority in preparation to form a one world government. At some point in the near future most Americans will be begging for it.

There are some good politicians for sure, many probably aware of peak oil and over population but who cares when they are just politicians? International bankers run the world and they own almost everything already including governments, media, all major corporations and yes, oil companies.

They just make it rather difficult for most people to see let alone believe, but all you have to do is open your mind and eyes to everyday events. It's getting rather easy to predict the future now since not only are they are creating it, they use their media to prepare us for it :lol:
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