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Die Hard Illusions

Unread postby deMolay » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 10:02:49

"We Are All Travellers, From The Sweet Grass To The Packing House, From Birth To Death, We Wander Between The Two Eternities". An Old Cowboy.
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Re: Die Hard Illusions

Unread postby nobodypanic » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 11:09:25

i can't think of a bigger illusion than that of the so-called 'free' market.

capitalism can simply go to hell as far as i am concerned. and it is.
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Re: Die Hard Illusions

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 15:55:44

In the month of May, Japan’s exports declined 40% year on year.

Yesterday came similar news from Europe. Industrial orders in the Eurozone dropped 35% in April, from the year before.

“Fed on hold as slump eases,” reports The Wall Street Journal. What exactly is meant by ‘slump eases’ is unclear. As near as we can tell, the slump is getting worse.


Hm.. where are the green shoots again???
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Re: Die Hard Illusions

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 16:15:42

"Many times have we argued that they will fail. We laugh at building dog walks …bailing out businesses that have lost their way…and paying huge bonuses to Wall Street execs. But those are just the obvious flaws. Down deeper, in the dark, corroded heart of the government economist is a fatal conceit.

We know from the experience of the 20th century that Friedrich Hayek was right. He called it the “Fatal Conceit”: the idea that central planners working for the government are free from sin and error. He wrote early in the century…when National Socialism and Communism were still popular.

Now we know; central economic planning doesn’t work. Everywhere it was tried it was a disaster. The more the bureaucrats planned, the bigger the mess they made. But now we are supposed to believe that central financial planning will save the world from the mistakes of the bubble era. That is the grand illusion waiting to be toppled. What fun it will be to see it come down!"

Fatal Conceit is right! From pressuring banks to make loans to people who could never afford to pay them back to creating trillions out of thin air to replace other trillions that vanished into thin air there seems to be no end to the madness.

I'm reminded of a line from Babylon Five, when Kosh was asked how it would all end, the replied "in fire".

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Re: Die Hard Illusions

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 16:28:26

In a nutshell, the meddlers believe they can borrow their way out of debt. If you say that the key problem in America is debt, they won’t argue with you. But they think that they can overcome that problem by borrowing trillions more.


How is this a problem? Just take on more debt to solve your debt problem. :razz:
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Re: Die Hard Illusions

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 16:42:14

The meddlers and government believers still think that they are slick enough to get something for nothing.

That is why a lot of people vote for the big government politician, they expect soemthing to be given to them at no cost.

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Re: Die Hard Illusions

Unread postby pablonite » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 21:40:25

TreeFarmer wrote:But now we are supposed to believe that central financial planning will save the world from the mistakes of the bubble era. That is the grand illusion waiting to be toppled. What fun it will be to see it come down!"

That is the problem with "world governments" and "world banks", you won't have much of a say about their "bad planning" but you will have to live with it.

This crash so many people think is "madness" or "insanity" is neither, it is an engineered crises to usher in the new "solution". Just like the crashes that precipitated the Federal Reserve Act and engineered by the same families of wealthy banking dynasties the money supply is simply tightened, loans called in and credit drys up making things rough all over. Let's face the facts here, when you are loaning huge sums of money to governments all over the world and profiting from both sides of every war it's no long before you own everything. It's been going on for a few hundred years at least, unknown to most of course because the first things they bought were your media and educational system, the governments were easy after a few generations of that.

Your world is the illusion, not theirs. I hope your right about the toppling but I fear that is exactly what they want you to be thinking right about now. When it does topple the banksters will own everything because they own the debt of the nations and with that - the people.

Oh, and forget about your "revolution" because they will guide and finance that using it as an excuse for more police state measures. Divided, conquered and enslaved by debt is the best way to describe most of western civilization today : )
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Re: Die Hard Illusions

Unread postby eXpat » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 23:19:14

Sixstrings wrote:
In the month of May, Japan’s exports declined 40% year on year.
Yesterday came similar news from Europe. Industrial orders in the Eurozone dropped 35% in April, from the year before.“Fed on hold as slump eases,” reports The Wall Street Journal. What exactly is meant by ‘slump eases’ is unclear. As near as we can tell, the slump is getting worse.
Hm.. where are the green shoots again???

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