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We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 22:03:07

One of my odd experiences covering the US in the early 1990s was visiting militia groups that sprang up in Texas, Idaho, and Ohio in the aftermath of recession. These were mostly blue-collar workers, – early victims of global "labour arbitrage" – angry enough with Washington to spend weekends in fatigues with M16 rifles. Most backed protest candidate Ross Perot, who won 19pc of the presidential vote in 1992 with talk of shutting trade with Mexico.
The inchoate protest dissipated once recovery fed through to jobs, although one fringe group blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building in 1995. Unfortunately, there will be no such jobs this time. Capacity use has fallen to record-low levels (68pc in the US, 71 in the eurozone). A deep purge of labour is yet to come.

The shocker last week was not just that the US lost 467,000 jobs in May, but also that time worked fell 6.9pc from a year earlier, dropping to 33 hours a week. "At no time in the 1990 or 2001 recessions did we ever come close to seeing such a detonating jobs figure," said David Rosenberg from Glukin Sheff. "We have lost a record nine million full-time jobs this cycle."
Earnings have fallen at a 1.6pc annual rate over the last three months. Wage deflation is setting in – like Japan. Interestingly, The International Labour Organisation is worried enough to push for a global pact, fearing countries may set off a ruinous spiral by chipping away at wages try to gain beggar-thy-neighbour advantage.

Some of the US pay cuts are disguised. Over 238,000 state workers in California have been working two days less a month without pay since February. Variants of this are happening in 22 states.

The Centre for Labour Market Studies (CLMS) in Boston says US unemployment is now 18.2pc, counting the old-fashioned way. The reason why this does not "feel" like the 1930s is that we tend to compress the chronology of the Depression. It takes time for people to deplete their savings and sink into destitution. Perhaps our greater cushion of wealth today will prevent another Grapes of Wrath, but 20m US homeowners are already in negative equity (zillow.com data). Evictions are running at a terrifying pace.

Some 342,000 homes were foreclosed in April, pushing a small army of children into a network of charity shelters. This compares to 273,000 homes lost in the entire year of 1932. Sheriffs in Michigan and Illinois are quietly refusing to toss families on to the streets, like the non-compliance of Catholic police in the Slump.

Europe is a year or so behind, but catching up fast. Unemployment has reached 18.7pc in Spain (37pc for youths), and 16.3pc in Latvia. Germany has delayed the cliff-edge effect by paying companies to keep furloughed workers through "Kurzarbeit". Germany's "Wise Men" fear that the jobless rate will jump from 3.7m to 5.1m by next year. The OECD expects unemployment to reach 57m in the rich countries by the end of next year.
This is the deadly lag effect. What is so disturbing is that governments have not even begun the spending squeeze that must come to stop their countries spiralling into a debt compound trap.

French president Nicolas Sarkozy, with a good nose for popular moods, says: "We must overhaul everything. We cannot have a system of rentiers and social dumping under globalisation. Either we have justice or we will have violence. It is a chimera to think that this crisis is just a footnote and that we can carry on as before."

The message has not reached Wall Street or the City. If bankers know what is good for them, they will take a teacher's salary for a few years until the storm passes. If they proceed with the bonuses now on the table, even as taxpayers pay for the errors of their caste, they must expect a ferocious backlash.

We are fortunate that the US has a new president enjoying a great reservoir of sympathy, and a clean-broom Congress. Other nations must limp on with carcass governments: Germany's paralysed Left-Right coalition, the burned-out relics of Japan's LDP, and Labour's death march in Britain. Some are taking precautions: Silvio Berlusconi is trying to emasculate Italy's parliament (with little protest) while the Kremlin has activated "anti-crisis" units to nip protest in the bud.

We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding. It may be time to put away our texts of Keynes, Friedman, and Fisher, so useful for Phase 1, and start studying what happened to society when global unemployment went haywire in 1932.
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Yet another article continuing the theme that the lost jobs are simply not coming back. We're currently running at 32% OVER-CAPACITY. As job losses continue to mount in our 70% consumer economy, won't that over-capacity just get worse as businesses continue to lose customers who can pay? It's a worldwide race to the bottom.

The author makes a good point about why this doesn't "feel like the Great Depression." His explanation is that it takes time for individual / extended family resources to become utterly depleted. People are just now beginning to run out of unemployment checks. Presumably, they're leaning on family members who still have jobs and assets. Once these are depleted, I guess it's Grapes of Wrath time.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby Schmuto » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 22:37:14

Good post - no doubt. We, collectively, are slipping and sliding toward the precipice, with the fools riding on top of the wave desperately trying to convince us that a recovery is nigh. As if we can talk ourselves into prosperity.

People are starting to get it.

My anecdotal survey is now about 9 to 1 who think that things are going to keep getting worse.

A year ago it was still 2 to 1.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 22:46:51

I am not scared, I have sexy on my side :P
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:01:18

Sixstrings wrote:The author makes a good point about why this doesn't "feel like the Great Depression." His explanation is that it takes time for individual / extended family resources to become utterly depleted. People are just now beginning to run out of unemployment checks. Presumably, they're leaning on family members who still have jobs and assets. Once these are depleted, I guess it's Grapes of Wrath time.


Actually job and economic losses have exceeded the trends of the Great Depression. It took about three years for things to hit bottom then.

Even so, thanks to generous unemployment benefits and foreclosure rules, the first year has no serious effect on most people. Give it another year or so.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby frankthetank » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:14:53

I was at our local July 4th festival this past weekend drinking and talking with a lot of people. The most interesting thing was how many people were either laid off or out of work. Most of these guys make good money, especially for this area. These same people were also drinking it up and smoking the cigs so they aren't totally broke yet.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby Armageddon » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:35:12

frankthetank wrote:I was at our local July 4th festival this past weekend drinking and talking with a lot of people. The most interesting thing was how many people were either laid off or out of work. Most of these guys make good money, especially for this area. These same people were also drinking it up and smoking the cigs so they aren't totally broke yet.




I noticed the mood this year is a lot different than last year at this time. People are starting to take notice something is wrong. Like Dante said, give it another year ( at the most , I say give it till Winter )
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:37:14

Last night was horrible around here. Last year there were firecrackers going off all over the place. This year. I didn't hear a firecracker go off until 10 pm
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby americandream » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 01:03:11

The spanner in the works of global capitalism's imminent demise (America's fate may not necessarily mirror the fortunes of the global elite) are China, India and the former communist states. These regions are significant storehouses of as yet to be extracted value whose overheads are vastly below that of the US and other western economies. The trick for the elite I suspect will be handling the transferance of value extraction from an exhausted US to the as yet immature regions and I suspect that concomitant with the collapse of US consumerism will be the rise of consumerism in these regions (until of course, capital fully exhausts these regions as well...capital and then finally resourcing.)
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby outcast » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 03:54:42

global capitalism's imminent demise


That's what they said in the 70's, and now it is communism that is dead.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby americandream » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 04:07:23

outcast wrote:
global capitalism's imminent demise


That's what they said in the 70's, and now it is communism that is dead.



I wouldn't gloat over that!

The fact that a non-cornucopian civilisation, placed as it was, on a finitely resourced planet, was overwhelmed and gave way to one that is founded on the notion of infinite growth and unrestrained greed, with finite resources as its base, has as good as consigned our future generations to a hell on earth that neither you nor I cannot even begin to fathom.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby Cloud9 » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 07:37:44

Communism would have the individual subvert his personal interests for the greater good. Everything about it runs counter to the natural instinct to survive.

Capitalism on the other hand champions the individual will to survive and rewards those that get the game right.

My bet is on the individual.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby americandream » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 08:02:52

Cloud9 wrote:Communism would have the individual subvert his personal interests for the greater good. Everything about it runs counter to the natural instinct to survive.

Capitalism on the other hand champions the individual will to survive and rewards those that get the game right.

My bet is on the individual.


You can bet all you like. This planet will have the last word on the matter.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 08:24:11

The unwinding will continue for many decades.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby Cloud9 » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 09:00:32

In the long run, we are all dead. I do not however intend to sit down in the dust and do nothing. I will make every effort to position me and mine for the better advantage in the coming chaos.
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Unread postby americandream » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 09:05:18

Cloud9 wrote:In the long run, we are all dead. I do not however intend to sit down in the dust and do nothing. I will make every effort to position me and mine for the better advantage in the coming chaos.


Me perhaps...mine forget. All your futures are dead. Unrestrained greed pretending to be individuality does not go into a finite planet. Rather basic I should have imagined.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby deMolay » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 09:07:03

China will not survive. They are the most poorly placed country in all of this, worse even than the continent of Africa. The facts are China has 25% of the world's mouths, 6% of the world's fresh water, 7% of the world's arable land. They also have a gangster system in place still that has murdered and butchered over 100 Million of it's own citizen's. In the news this morning, they are starting to have riots and over 100 killed in clashes. You can educate yourself about the butchery of Chinese Communism here. http://www.ninecommentaries.com
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Unread postby sittinguy » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 09:15:00

I don't think it will take a decade to fall apart. I agree that when the unemployment benifits start running out is when the S will HTF, or at least start to. But the Gov will keep extending benifits. But at some point so many people will be homeless and jobless it will turn ugly. People will use up thier welcome living with their families eventually.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby deMolay » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 09:17:02

Here is the link to the clashes. Seems it is breaking along racial lines but the root cause seems to be centred around a lack of jobs. At the same time in the news the ruling party in Mexico appears headed to defeat as well. Without the oil cash, Mexico is unwinding at a pretty good clip. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 09:20:14

deMolay wrote:China will not survive. They are the most poorly placed country in all of this, worse even than the continent of Africa. The facts are China has 25% of the world's mouths, 6% of the world's fresh water, 7% of the world's arable land. They also have a gangster system in place still that has murdered and butchered over 100 Million of it's own citizen's. In the news this morning, they are starting to have riots and over 100 killed in clashes. You can educate yourself about the butchery of Chinese Communism here. http://www.ninecommentaries.com



How about the brutal history American Christianity.

How about the brutal history of virtually every country on the face of this planet.
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Re: We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding

Unread postby deMolay » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 09:28:58

There is no system in the history of the world that achieved the efficiencies of mass murder like National Socialism in Germany or the Communist regimes of Russia and China. The how about is that historically your claims have no factual basis.
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