mattduke wrote:Classic Keynsian fallacy. This from the same guy that advised digging and refilling holes in the ground as "solution" to depression.
http://peakoil.com/economics-finance/ke ... x%20thrift
mattduke wrote:This cartoon may help AmericanDream. The author is a political prisoner in the US.
http://www.takelifeback.com/hegawid
Tyler_JC wrote:Consumption-led growth be damned. Britain is in no position to increase its debt load right now. Sensible public policy would be moderate tax hikes on the rich and spending cuts across the board. --snip-- Once the debt payments exceed economic growth over a long period of time, the indebted countries will be caught in a hopeless debt trap. They will never be able to truly pay off these obligations and the only solution will be a devaluation of their currency followed by years of austerity.
americandream wrote:All this academic steady state capitalism is fine in the class room but you ask an investor (small or otherwise) to steady state his appetite for increasing annual returns and you wont get work as a professional in the financial services. In fact, you will quickly be consigned to a failed state of employment.
You'ld be surprised at the number of financial professionals who all agree that only compulsion (due to an impending calamity, resource exhaustion or something beyond humankinds control) will impel us to adopt a steady state system. And it wont be a proft driven one. The two do not mix. Try asking a child not to grow. Impossible dreams of those who invariably sit in academic cloisters and have never really confronted business people other than to beg for grants and subsidies.
nobodypanic wrote:agreed.
even the petty bourgeoisie's first priority is to grow his business, to make more money, to get bigger. the very structure of capitalism makes it necessary that he do so in order to survive and thrive in the institutionalized cut throat competition that takes place w/in the market arena. thus, sans growth, capitalism ceases to be and must instead become something else.
Tyler_JC wrote:Credit lines have been slashed for the middle class and no amount of government proclamations is going to convince them to spend money they don't have access to.
americandream wrote:Here's why another generation of derivatives are on the way. Forget all your airy-fairy libertarian notions of small shopkeeper with gun at door freedom. You must consume! Consume I tell you! link
americandream wrote:I am a marxist but theres no damned way I would willingly succumb to the impoverishment of my affluent capitalist means of livelihood. I'm rational but not a saint. The next generation of derivatives is on the drawing board.
efarmer wrote:It does seem the credit bubble and "globalization" has / had
a strong current of financial colonialism built in. Foreign people
work hard and we spent their money in return for the promise
that they could continue to work hard and loan us money.
efarmer wrote:Let's cut to the chase, it does look as if we are going to have
to spend our own money and work hard again, doesn't it?
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