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API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby Dr. Ofellati » Wed 18 Nov 2009, 22:03:07

We all know, or should know, that the system used by the DOE to compute "petroleum reserves" is shabby at best. It's based on a system of estimation that relies on, in part, self-reporting from across the petroleum industry.

We also all know, or should know, that most government statistics are intentionally rigged to paint a rosier picture than actually exists.

The GDP estimates based on unreliable deflator numbers, which is itself based on a bogus inflation number, is questionable at best and rigged at worst.

Unemployment numbers are rigged to seem less severe.

And on and on.

Now this report, which essentially says that the API thought there was a 4 million drop in supplies while the DOE thought 0.8 million.

In the big picture, of course, stockpiles are meaningless - what really matters is production - stockpiles could easily be rebuilt if and only if production exceeds consumption.

BUT, stockpile numbers influence price. As the article states, one trader believed . . .

“If the DOE number had been over 4 million like the API, prices would have probably broken through $82 and we would have been off to the races. "


At what point do the DOE numbers become facially rigged?

It will be interesting to see what happens.

Anybody have stats on average divergence of API and DOE numbers?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... Z2oNrP2Xq4
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 18 Nov 2009, 22:10:20

You need to pay attention to pup55's thread to understand this. If you don't know anything about this I question how much you can claim you know about oil markets.

API's numbers are based on voluntary responses. DOE's numbers are based on mandatory responses. No one takes the API's numbers too seriously. About the only purpose they serve is to give traders on Tuesday nights and Wednesday mornings a little game they can play in anticipation of the DOE's numbers.
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby Dr. Ofellati » Wed 18 Nov 2009, 22:19:15

OilFinder2 wrote:---


Cornutroll disregarded.
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 18 Nov 2009, 22:23:43

* awaits pup55 response to essentially repeat what I just said *
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 02:13:15

Dr. Ofellati wrote:
OilFinder2 wrote:---


Cornutroll disregarded.



HAH!!! got a good laugh from that one ;)
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby Maddog78 » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 10:13:07

Dr Blowjob displays his ignorance of the oil industry.
No wonder he couldn't see that OPEC would be able to increase production the latter half of this year.
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 10:32:48

AirlinePilot wrote:
Dr. Ofellati wrote:
OilFinder2 wrote:---


Cornutroll disregarded.



HAH!!! got a good laugh from that one ;)



AP, are you implying that Dr. O is correct? If so you're going to lose some serious credibility points after PuP points out that OF2 is correct here.
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby shortonsense » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 10:36:51

TheAntiDoomer wrote:
AirlinePilot wrote:
Dr. Ofellati wrote:
OilFinder2 wrote:---


Cornutroll disregarded.



HAH!!! got a good laugh from that one ;)



AP, are you implying that Dr. O is correct? If so you're going to lose some serious credibility points after PuP points out that OF2 is correct here.


When is Schmuto going to pay up on his bet?
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby Dr. Ofellati » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 10:56:29

Maddog78 wrote:---


Cornutroll clone disregarded.
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby Dr. Ofellati » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 10:57:26

TheAntiDoomer wrote: - - -





Cornutroll clone - Disregarded.
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby Dr. Ofellati » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 10:59:14

shortonsense wrote:---


Cornutroll clone - Disregarded.
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 10:59:58

Dr. Ofellati wrote:
TheAntiDoomer wrote: - - -





Cornutroll clone - Disregarded.


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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 14:35:35

Heh, Im just laughing at the exchange. I thought it was funny. No commentary at all on accuracy.

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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby Lanthanide » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 19:57:22

Dr. Ofellati you really are quite juvenile.
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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby Dr. Ofellati » Thu 19 Nov 2009, 20:41:05

Lanthanide wrote:Dr. Ofellati you really are quite juvenile.


Thank you.

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Re: API vs. DOE numbers.

Unread postby albelaa » Sat 21 Nov 2009, 12:57:22

No wonder he couldn't see that OPEC would be able to increase production the latter half of this year.

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