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Let the Good Times Roll

Unread postby Carlhole » Mon 28 Dec 2009, 12:04:12

Why James Grant Thinks the Economic Recovery Might Be More Robust Than Widely Expected -- New York Magazine

Blessedly, 2009 did not turn out to be the utter catastrophe many once feared it would be—no bank runs, no bread lines, no sport-hunting of the rich. But it’s far from certain whether the worst has been truly averted, or, to use a phrase that became fashionable, the can was merely kicked down the road. The signals are, at best, mixed. Jobs are still being lost, if not at the same wildfire rate. Many small businesses lack credit, not to mention customers. So what lies ahead?

Between the yahoos who tout every market uptick as the stirrings of the next boom and the doom peddlers who cling to their prophecies of societal breakdown, a consensus has cohered around what investment strategist John Mauldin, a hero of the blogosphere, calls “the muddle-through economy,” a protracted period of elevated unemployment rates and sluggish growth.


Consider the now-conventional analysis of the U.S. economy over the last decade: It was, we have had drilled into us, built on the swampy ground of real-estate speculation and the feverish spending of borrowed money. Okay, sure. But it was also about the explosion of information technology, the concomitant surge in productivity, and unprecedented access to low-cost labor, both domestically (Latin American immigrants) and globally (Chinese), which lowered the prices of goods and services for all Americans. These conditions, unlike the housing market, have not gone away.

Grant’s second cause for optimism is an observation about human nature, summed up by an epigram he borrowed from the late British economist Arthur C. Pigou: “The error of optimism dies in the crisis, but in dying it gives birth to an error of pessimism. This new error is born not an infant, but a giant.” As peculiar as our economic circumstances may seem to us right now, the way people behave has a certain reassuring constancy—which is to say, we freak out and then we get over it.


I knew a guy at Merrill who subscribed to Grant's Interest Rate Observer and let me read them. Such insights. Amusing economics reading too. But he missed the whole 90's boom due to his over-weening pessimism. Peter Grant was one of the first to complain about the serial bubble economy.
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Re: Let the Good Times Roll

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Mon 28 Dec 2009, 12:28:32

Jim Grant has a Roubini style about him.

He makes the right noises, until 'nut cutting' time and then
reverts to the usual 'we'll get thru this, American Grit' BS.

The reality:
Kunstler wrote:
What prior state does Mr. Obama suppose we're recovering to? A Potemkin housing boom and an endless credit card spending orgy? The lying spreads downward from the White House and broadly across the fruited plain and the corporate office landscape and through the campuses and the editorial floors and the suites of absolutely everyone in charge of everything until all leadership in every field of endeavor has been given permission to speak untruth and to reinforce each others lies and illusions.


Ilargi wrote:Now all we need to do is find a buyer for the trillions in mortgage backed securities the country's choking on.

Reality for the non-banking part of the population is starting to become clearly visible in for instance Japan's falling prices, and in Ireland, where government salaries across the board are cut by 10-20%. It would be wise for most workers and their unions to look very closely at what happens in Eire, since it is their foreland.

Unfortunately, everyone today is firmly stuck clinging to the official global party line that promises a return to prosperity and growth, and no-one sees a need to temper demands.


Dec. 28 (Bloomberg) -- A 26-mile-long line of idled oil tankers, enough to blockade the English Channel, may signal a 25 percent slump in freight rates next year.

The ships will unload 26 percent of the crude and oil products they are storing in six months, adding to vessel supply and pushing rates for supertankers down to an average of $30,000 a day next year, compared with $40,212 now, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey of 15 analysts, traders and shipbrokers. That’s below what Frontline Ltd., the biggest operator of the ships, says it needs to break even.

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Re: Let the Good Times Roll

Unread postby Novus » Mon 28 Dec 2009, 12:35:10

Carlhole wrote:Why James Grant Thinks the Economic Recovery Might Be More Robust Than Widely Expected -- New York Magazine

It’s far from certain whether the worst has been truly averted, or, to use a phrase that became fashionable, the can was merely kicked down the road. The signals are, at best, mixed. Jobs are still being lost,


In other words it is still getting worse. We will see what the next leg down brings.
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Re: Let the Good Times Roll

Unread postby crude_intentions » Mon 28 Dec 2009, 13:40:49

If your a Wall Street Banker yes the recovery in in full swing an the good times are starting to roll. If your an average working Joe (Not the Plumber) your getting your teeth kicked in right now.

Wall street today is as disconnected from main street, as the French nobility was from the french peasantry in 1789.

Speaking of the French revolution. Thier are some eerie parallels between then and now.
Take this article from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution#Financial_crisis
Financial crisis
Louis XVI ascended to the throne amidst a financial crisis; the nation was nearing bankruptcy and outlays outpaced income.[6] This was because of France’s involvement in the Seven Years War and its participation in the American Revolution.[7] In May 1776, finance minister Turgot was dismissed, after he lost favour. The next year, Jacques Necker, a foreigner, was appointed Director-General of Finance. He was not made a minister because he was a Protestant, and could not become a naturalized French citizen.[8] Necker realized that the country's tax system subjected some to an unfair burden;[8] numerous exemptions existed for the nobility and clergy.[9] He argued that the country could not be taxed higher, that the nobles and clergy should not be exempt from taxes, and proposed that borrowing would solve the country's fiscal problems. Necker published a report to support this claim that underestimated the deficit by roughly 36,000 livres; and proposed restricting the spending power of the parlements. This was not received well by the King's ministers and Necker, hoping to solidify his position, argued to be accepted as a minister. The King refused, Necker was fired, and Charles Alexandre de Calonne was appointed to the Directorship.[8]

Calonne initially spent liberally, but he quickly realized the critical financial situation and put forth a new tax code.[10] The proposal included a consistent land tax, which would include taxation of the nobility and clergy, and the meeting of the Estates was planned for May 1789; a signal that the Bourbon monarchy was no longer absolute.
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Re: Let the Good Times Roll

Unread postby pablonite » Mon 28 Dec 2009, 13:50:24

Hyper inflation could produce the kind of volatility that enables traders to make a killing while the rest of us suffer sticker shock in the breakfast-cereal aisle.

With the creation of trillions of US dollars in stimulus I thought this would be happening already?

The derivatives market is over a ?quadrillion dollars?, are these tens of trillions only keeping the beast on life support?

Another interesting thing. The US dollar still represents more than half of the currency circulating in the global monetary system, when shrinkage comes it will still be the one eyed king in the land of the blind.

I'll go with history on this one, the crash will be assisted by international bankers reducing the money supply even further. When all is said and done it will be the largest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. The New World Order :lol:
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