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Why the Euro Might Devolve into Euro1 and Euro2

Unread postby Oilguy » Tue 02 Mar 2010, 19:18:25

The euro as presently configured is doomed due to structural imbalances between mercantilist and consumer nations. A "euro1 and euro2" system would allow a face-saving demise to euroland's single currency.

I've got a bad feeling about the Euro: the structural imbalances I presented yesterday irrevocably doom the single currency.

Just to recap the cycle and its consequences, here is a chart:
The Mercantilist Nation - Consumer-Debt Nation Cycle (chart available on below link)

Since the euroland leaders have invested their prestige and credibility in the single currency euro, it's demise will likely be cloaked in some "face-saving" measure. My best guess is euro-denominated bonds, both public and private, will be offered in two flavors: "euro 1" for mercantilist Germany, France, the Netherlands, etc. and "euro 2" for the highly indebted, debt-and-asset-bubble-dependent consumer nations: Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain, etc.

This could be a de facto (unofficial) "solution" to repricing debt and assets in each nation, or it might even become "official policy" as the great structural divide between mercantilist and consumer nations become unbridgeable even rhetorically.

Eventually, the "euro 1" currency will be valued more highly than the "euro 2" currency--again, either de facto or de jure. If the E.U. prefers total denial as a policy, then the revaluation/devaluation will be de facto; the "street price" of euro 2s will be worth less in the real world even if the E.U. maintains the fantasy of a single currency.

State and supra-State institutions like the E.U. can afford the facades of illusion; the real world of commerce has to adapt to reality.

China has already decided on its de facto policy on dollar-denominated debt: it is selling longer-term T-bills and buying short-term Treasuries as a way to limit its long-term risk to rising interest rates; the short-term T-bills offer a liquid market to "park" its dollar-denominated earnings.


Full article at: http://www.oilprice.com/article-why-the ... euro2.html
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Re: Why the Euro Might Devolve into Euro1 and Euro2

Unread postby Bas » Tue 02 Mar 2010, 20:13:31

to be sure I'd doubt that the existence of the current euro will ever be really threatened.... I've heard about the imminent decline of the Euro eversince the inception of it, but strangely enough those predictions always came from people outside the eurozone, mostly from across the pond. At this point, while the Euro may be weakening, it's still cheaper for a European to take a holiday in the States than it is for an American to take a holiday in Europe...
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Re: Why the Euro Might Devolve into Euro1 and Euro2

Unread postby truecougarblue » Tue 02 Mar 2010, 20:30:54

There already are multiple Euro denominated bond issues. German bunds pay 315 bp better than Greek as of today. Each country pays interest on its debt according to what the market dictates. The common denominator is the currency itself.

As long as no country in the EU puts a turbo on the printing press and they maintain austerity measures for the profligates they should be able to slowly devalue together to get past the debt trap. If either of those conditions isn't met you will see at least two Euros, one of which will be referred to in common parlance as "the Deutschmark".
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Re: Why the Euro Might Devolve into Euro1 and Euro2

Unread postby Bas » Wed 03 Mar 2010, 10:09:35

truecougarblue wrote:There already are multiple Euro denominated bond issues. German bunds pay 315 bp better than Greek as of today.


I think you mean the other way around, as a risk premium. Which goes to show that the market works fine with multiple countries with different fiscal situations under one Euro. The Greeks are still going to pay for their messed up budget. They also feel the pressure of the rest of Europe to clean up their mess, and they're not gonna get a free lunch....Also this isn't as bad for Germany (as well as France and the Netherlands) as one might think as a cheaper euro means more exports for Germany, something which wouldn't have happened had they still had the D-Mark.
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Re: Why the Euro Might Devolve into Euro1 and Euro2

Unread postby truecougarblue » Wed 03 Mar 2010, 11:22:42

Thanks for catching that, we wouldn't want to confuse the kiddies, now would we?
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Re: Why the Euro Might Devolve into Euro1 and Euro2

Unread postby Bas » Wed 03 Mar 2010, 11:43:16

Really though, the argument in the OP doesn't hold water; European nations are neither strongly mercantilist, nor strongly consumerist. At least not when you compare it to the US-China relations. I think it's a weak article.
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Re: Why the Euro Might Devolve into Euro1 and Euro2

Unread postby truecougarblue » Wed 03 Mar 2010, 12:52:02

Agreed
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