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Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangerous

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 05:30:23

Techonomy

t the Techonomy conference, David Christian of Macquarie University gave a presentation entitled, "Reinventing Intelligence: Why collective learning makes humans so different."

Christian began his talk by explaining that there's a very long history of scientists trying to answer the question, "What makes humans different?" The answers have resulted in a series of failed attempts to define humanity.
For example, it's been said that humans are different because we:

Use tools - But we know that monkeys, gorillas, and crows use tools as well.
Lead an interior emotional life - But we can see love between animals, such as mothers and their children.
Use language - But Coco the gorilla can speak.

The reason the answer to this question has failed multiple times is because we haven't been able to see the history of humanity as a whole. To understand humanity you need to understand the entire history of humanity from the creation of the universe to today.

We're dangerous consumers
Over the history of time, every species has consumed slightly more calories than they need. But humans consume far more than we need. If one species consumes that much energy, then there's less for others. And thanks to our increased appetite, others species are becoming extinct at a rate of 1000 times what they've been before we arrived and started consuming so much. We're dangerously powerful, said Christian.
Christian continued explaining that what's unique about humans is that we dominate the biosphere, but we also have a unique desire for innovation.

How old is the gift of ecological creativity?
Christian demonstrated that with each human migration we discover new ways of extracting energy. For example, to migrate to Australia, humans had to cross water. To go to Siberia, they had to learn how to deal with the extreme cold. The paleolithic history is a history of technological innovation.

The source of creativity is linguistic efficiency
While other animals can speak, they haven't been able to record, collect, and pass down that information. We have crossed a threshold in linguistic efficiency. For example, explained Christian, researchers have seen baboons follow another baboon that's a good hunter. But once that baboon died, that baboon's knowledge of hunting died with him. It wasn't passed down from baboon to baboon.

The capacity of sharing information is based on human language and the ability to communicate with others. It's also a dangerous gift. We'll have to do more collective learning that doesn't put more pressure on the environment. We're consuming a lot already, Christian said.
While individually humans have felt more consumption increases happiness, we all know that so much evidence shows it's not the case. There's no correlation between increased consumption and happiness. Therefore, the need to consume more has no advantage.

This realization about human behavior and happiness makes Christian quite optimistic about humanity. What emerges is this challenge said Christian, "Can we use our remarkable capacity for collective learning while maintaining the fulfillment of all the people on earth?"


Watch the intro video at the Techonomy conference link. Sounds like something I would say.
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Re: Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangero

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 05:44:54

Techonomy - Philosophy page

OUR PHILOSOPHY
techonomy (te-kän’-uh-mē) n. [tech(nology) + (ec)onomy]

organized activities related to the invention, development, production, distribution and consumption of technology-enhanced goods and services that a society uses to address the problem of scarcity and to enhance the quality of life.

Techonomy draws its inspiration from the ‘creative capitalism’ of Bill Gates, the ‘eco-pragmatism’ of Stewart Brand, the ‘big history’ of David Christian, and Bill Joy’s recent work on the economics of large-scale innovation. Each thinker in his own way points to a new humanism founded on the old notion that invention is what we do as a species. It is human nature to combine technology and economy to solve problems – to do so is both an opportunity and a responsibility. It’s who we are, and the only way we’re going to get to any solutions.
So here is what techonomy promotes: a rational, optimistic, forward-looking, technically savvy work ethic that celebrates technological achievement, human ingenuity, and sustainable living.


Watch Bill Joy in another video this page. They're trying to make a slick presentation - maybe its to direct conference attendees to or something.
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Re: Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangero

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 07:10:49

David Christian's Techonomy Talk -- How collective learning made us different

Collective Learning, Growth and Human Happiness:

Collective learning is what makes us different. It is an entirely new and much more rapid way of “adapting” to our environment. While other species adapt through the slow, patient, sharing of genes, we adapt by sharing ideas. Collective learning is the source of our creativity as a species and the reason why we, alone, have a History.

But collective learning, like fire, is a dangerous gift. We are not just highly “adaptive”; we are “hyper-adaptive”, so good at adapting that it is no longer clear that we can control our own creativity. We adapt at warp speed; but the biosphere adapts at the agonizingly slow pace of genetic change. It cannot keep up with our growing demands. The Irish elk, one of the largest deer ever to exist, had vast antlers. It was once thought that, through sexual selection, the antlers grew so large and unwieldy that the species was driven to extinction.[6] Is this a parable for humans? Are we getting too good at collective learning?

Collective learning may also turn out to be our get-out-of-jail card. The synergy of exchanges between almost 7 billion people, building on earlier exchanges between the 80 billion humans who lived before us, is a very powerful force for creative change. But we may have to start using that synergy in new ways because we cannot just keep using it to increase our consumption of the resources of the biosphere. As our brief discussion of the “Anthropocene” suggests, the biosphere is creaking under the strain as more and more of its energy and resources are diverted to the use of one species.


Honest to god, I'm just discovering this site for the first time. But it sort of sounds like I could have helped write it.
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Re: Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangero

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 12:26:07

wow! This thread is smoking !

Carlhole wrote: And thanks to our increased appetite, others species are becoming extinct at a rate of 1000 times what they've been before we arrived and started consuming so much.

so you find it to be a fair exchange, more plastic for morbidly obese biomasse in front of their TVs vs several species being killed off every single day?

Carlhole wrote: "Can we use our remarkable capacity for collective learning while maintaining the fulfillment of all the people on earth?"


wow, this guy is a dreamer too! hahaha. Maintaining the fulfillment of all people on earth? HAHAHAHAHA
Tell him to grow the fuck up
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Re: Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangero

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 18:39:51

Pretorian wrote:Tell him to grow the fuck up


Not that simple. Looks like there is a faction of the environmental movement led by Stewart Brand (Whole Earth Catalog) and David Christian who are very pro Science.

Stewart Brand is an old-style environmentalist who had typically rebelled against scientific approaches to solving environmental problems (such as geoengineering), but who said he has thoroughly changed his mind.

This is the perspective - Bill Joy.

Not exactly my style even though I agree with their premises. They are tech journalists looking to carve out a new, improved bleeding-edge sci/tech blog. The website is trying to portray an image of popularity - presumably so they have a chance to get big. Whoever is producing the website appears to have a small budget and big plans.

Oh well, I'll keeping reading it even though I'd rather not be presented with the info that way.
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Re: Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangero

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 19:26:23

Carlhole wrote:
Pretorian wrote:Tell him to grow the fuck up


What a shame it is that a conference of this nature is going on as we speak and all the news elicits on peakoil.com is a snappish grunt like that.

Shameful.
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Re: Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangero

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 20:04:25

pstarr wrote:
Carlhole wrote:
Pretorian wrote:Tell him to grow the fuck up


Not that simple. Looks like there is a faction of the environmental movement led by Stewart Brand (Whole Earth Catalog) and David Christian who are very pro Science.

Stewart Brand is an old-style environmentalist who had typically rebelled against scientific approaches to solving environmental problems (such as geoengineering), but who said he has thoroughly changed his mind.
Geoengineering? Christ almighty man. Do you spend all your time down in the basement, manning your virtual Starship Enterprise bridge?

Carl. Look at the screen. Concentrate. You might want to take a Reality Vacation outside, into the fresh air, and see some honest-to-god geography and grass and birds en' stuff :razz:


Look, moron... for the millionth time. I report interesting, relevant news on peakoil.com discussion board and I make comments.

You're an idiot IMO. You never post anything interesting. You never have anything but s*** to say.
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Re: Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangero

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 20:44:10

Techonomy celebrates the notion that humanity can invent its way out of the messes it has helped create. It also implies a social dimension that reaches beyond the rugged individualism usually associated with inventors and entrepreneurs. To overcome the entrenched interests that often stand in the way of the rapid implementation of newer, better solutions, we need not only clever physical innovations, but also social innovations that enable us to take advantage of and scale up technology’s potential. To bring about change on a meaningful scale, engineers and entrepreneurs must become, in effect, social engineers and social entrepreneurs, joining forces and using every available tool–such as internet-enabled social networking–to hasten change. Techonomic change is simultaneously top down and bottom up.

The implosion of the financial markets in 2008 and 2009 and the onset of deep recession blew holes in more than people’s pocketbooks. For the past 15 or 20 years we had looked to market forces to guide and reward our endeavors. Unleash those forces and heed the feedback they provide, the thinking went, and the market will deliver the greatest good to the greatest number of people. An entire generation trained itself to use market forces as its prism for understanding the world.

With the failure of market discipline, productive people now wonder where and how to focus their energy and ideas. They need a fresh rationale for enterprise and aspiration — a new philosophy of progress. There is also a sense that decades of environmental, economic, social and political bills are coming due, and they seek constructive ways to meet those obligations. The challenge is to transform disillusionment, diminished expectations and need for retrenchment into confidence and new hope.
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Re: Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangero

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 21:27:02

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Bill Joy: What I'm worried about, what I'm excited about

Interesting TED Talk.

Bill Joy, at a certain part of this video, talks about making civilization "pinprick proof" - referring to large, criminal organizations who have the ability to mount sudden, calculated assaults on all of us. Presumably, you should take that to mean simply "terrorists".

Although he didn't say so, I seemed to intuit that he also meant to include false-flag attacks. When he says, "In light of what we have just learned,...", he left it vague as to what exactly he was referring to. What did he just learn? I sort of gathered that he probably could have been referring to Richard Gage's convincing presentation on 911 but intentionally refraining from mentioning it. The events of 911 certainly do look like the kind of "pinprick" his envisioned network would try to protect us against.
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Re: Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangero

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 06 Aug 2010, 02:25:06

Carlhole wrote:
Carlhole wrote:
Pretorian wrote:Tell him to grow the fuck up


What a shame it is that a conference of this nature is going on as we speak and all the news elicits on peakoil.com is a snappish grunt like that.

Shameful.


Snappish grunt? No , its the best (and free) advise that dude will ever get. In fact, if you care about this guy you might want to get in touch and pass it to him asap. The guy is clearly outta here , like he was kidnapped by aliens in early childhood or something like that.
And I have nothing, whatsoever, against science and technologies. My problem starts when every yokel out there starts arming himself with new knowledge in order to advance the greatest of all human features--the limitless greed.
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Re: Techonomy: Our collective intelligence powerful, dangero

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 06 Aug 2010, 03:48:26

Pretorian wrote:My problem starts when every yokel out there starts arming himself with new knowledge in order to advance the greatest of all human features--the limitless greed.


They're are long-time journalists who have had an interest in ecology/environment from early times. Now, they want to cover the burgeoning sci/tech boom as it applies to the green movement. They urge that time is short. Website/blog just got off the ground and news has been broken about them.

Come on.
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