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Book: 'Impending World Energy Mess' by Robt Hirsch, et al

Unread postby halcyon » Sun 19 Sep 2010, 09:55:33

Robert L. Hirsch, Roger H. Bezdek and Robert M. Wendling will have a new book out on october titled "The Impending World Energy Mess - What is is and What it means to YOU!". Below is the Amazon pre-publication info:

http://www.amazon.com/Impending-World-E ... =8-1-spell

I can't be sure, but I'd imagine it contains an updated view on their original mitigation study from 2005 and additionally some practical new material.

Here is a link to a recent ASPO-USA interview with Hirsch on the same issues:

http://www.aspousa.org/index.php/2010/0 ... ergy-mess/

Also, if you'd like to see Hirsch on the Daily Show, I noticed this link on TOD that there's a poll at the DN forums go see if there's interest in having Hirsch as a visitor to the show:

http://forums.thedailyshow.com/?page=Th ... d_id=30792

Go and vote. I'd be fun to have him on the show.
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Re: Hirsch: Impending World Energy Mess (new book & Daily Sh

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 19 Sep 2010, 12:28:15

By the same token, we have faith that humankind is not going to collapse because of the oil decline problem. The world is in for considerable pain for a long time. Nevertheless, we have great faith in human resilience. People will come around, get very pragmatic, dig in and do what’s necessary to meet the challenges. As a result, when we get through all of this-which is going to take longer than a decade-the societies that emerge are going to be much stronger and much more pragmatic than they are today.
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Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 19 Sep 2010, 13:46:47

pstarr wrote:This from Robert Hirsch's 2005 US Department of Energy’s National Energy Technology Laboratory report to congress. Where did you pull yours from?

From one of the links in OP -- Hirsch's most recent interview about the book coming out.

We have faith that humankind is not going to collapse because of the oil decline problem. The world is in for considerable pain for a long time. Nevertheless, we have great faith in human resilience. People will come around, get very pragmatic, dig in and do what’s necessary to meet the challenges. As a result, when we get through all of this-which is going to take longer than a decade-the societies that emerge are going to be much stronger and much more pragmatic than they are today.
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Re: Hirsch: Impending World Energy Mess (new book & Daily Sh

Unread postby dinopello » Sun 19 Sep 2010, 15:11:32

We have faith that humankind is not going to collapse because of the oil decline problem.


Woo-hoo! The human species will survive ! Or, at least he has a faith that it will ! Break out the party hats before civilization collapses !
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Re: Hirsch: Impending World Energy Mess (new book & Daily Sh

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 19 Sep 2010, 15:19:09

pstarr wrote:
Carlhole wrote:
pstarr wrote:This from Robert Hirsch's 2005 US Department of Energy’s National Energy Technology Laboratory report to congress. Where did you pull yours from?

From one of the links in OP -- Hirsch's most recent interview about the book coming out.

We have faith that humankind is not going to collapse because of the oil decline problem. The world is in for considerable pain for a long time. Nevertheless, we have great faith in human resilience. People will come around, get very pragmatic, dig in and do what’s necessary to meet the challenges. As a result, when we get through all of this-which is going to take longer than a decade-the societies that emerge are going to be much stronger and much more pragmatic than they are today.
So you equate a book-tour comment to an official Department of Energy study?


They are Hirsch's very words from his most recent interview. What do you want me to do? Put other words in his mouth?
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Re: Hirsch: Impending World Energy Mess (new book & Daily Sh

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 19 Sep 2010, 15:33:42

By the same token, we have faith that humankind is not going to collapse because of the oil decline problem. The world is in for considerable pain for a long time. Nevertheless, we have great faith in human resilience. People will come around, get very pragmatic, dig in and do what’s necessary to meet the challenges. As a result, when we get through all of this-which is going to take longer than a decade-the societies that emerge are going to be much stronger and much more pragmatic than they are today.


I have no reason to doubt the sincerity of Hirsch's remarks.
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Re: Hirsch: Impending World Energy Mess (new book & Daily Sh

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 19 Sep 2010, 17:29:13

Hirsch speaks for himself. I don't need to add anything.

By the same token, we have faith that humankind is not going to collapse because of the oil decline problem. The world is in for considerable pain for a long time. Nevertheless, we have great faith in human resilience. People will come around, get very pragmatic, dig in and do what’s necessary to meet the challenges. As a result, when we get through all of this-which is going to take longer than a decade-the societies that emerge are going to be much stronger and much more pragmatic than they are today.
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Re: Hirsch: Impending World Energy Mess (new book & Daily Sh

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 19 Sep 2010, 21:57:40

pstarr wrote:Carlhole is just one in a long line of PO debunkers, like ...

Don't forget CERA (Nov. 2006):

Peak Oil Theory – “World Running Out of Oil Soon” – Is Faulty

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Re: Hirsch: Impending World Energy Mess (new book & Daily Sh

Unread postby americandream » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 03:18:18

Having been trained as an interpreter of legal documents and applying those rules which are commonsensical, the below, in being qualified by the use of the word "faith", is of another magnitude and reflects a subjective rather than objective position.

It IS NOT intended to signify that we will be living in a Singularity inspired, battery powered, solar sensitive, BAU, complete with Walmarts powered with methane gas from council dumps, sentiments evident in many if not all of your posts.

Carlhole wrote:Hirsch speaks for himself. I don't need to add anything.

By the same token, we have faith that humankind is not going to collapse because of the oil decline problem. The world is in for considerable pain for a long time. Nevertheless, we have great faith in human resilience. People will come around, get very pragmatic, dig in and do what’s necessary to meet the challenges. As a result, when we get through all of this-which is going to take longer than a decade-the societies that emerge are going to be much stronger and much more pragmatic than they are today.
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The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby Graeme » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 20:07:28

Impending Oil Crisis Will Overshadow Global Climate Change

Leading energy consultants Dr. Robert Hirsch and colleagues Dr. Roger Bezdek and Robert Wendling, co-authors of an infamous 2005 report for the U.S. Department of Energy on peak oil, predict an impending decline in world oil production may occur within the next five years and urge government, industry and the general public to address the issue, in their newly published book The Impending World Energy Mess: What It Is and What It Means to You!

Concerned by a lack of action and fearful that the subject of global warming may be distracting people from a more imminent issue, Dr. Hirsch and his colleagues decided to take action and write the book. They argue that oil production reached a plateau in 2004 and has remained relatively consistent ever since. They are concerned that a decline in world oil production is potentially two to five years away and will have significant economic consequences.

"The decline of world oil production will overshadow climate concerns and will become humankind's most urgent priority," forecasts Dr. Hirsch. "This is a liquid fuels problem. There is a large amount of liquid fuel consuming equipment, such as cars, trains, ships and aircraft, which move people and goods around every day. When world oil production irreversibly begins to decline, there will be shortages. Switching the energy we put into almost all machinery will not happen overnight."

In The Impending World Energy Mess; What It is and What It Means to You!, Hirsch and his colleagues discuss the long production cycles involved in oil production, examine what forecasters have been predicting, evaluate current alternative energy options, and review what can be done to mitigate the upcoming challenges. This book will help educate readers about the realities of energy in general (oil in particular) and provides a practical basis for understanding and personal action.


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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby Expatriot » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 21:41:38

Worst thing is, unlike us Cassandras, this dude was paid by Congress to let the world know what was coming, he did it, clarion call and all, and he's been completely ignored.

So his hell has to be worse than mine.
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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby americandream » Tue 21 Sep 2010, 05:36:41

Frankly, what can we do? The economy is dependent on waste and built in obsolescence. Entire industries are critically dependent on the continuous sale of short life wasteful trivia.

Expatriot wrote:Worst thing is, unlike us Cassandras, this dude was paid by Congress to let the world know what was coming, he did it, clarion call and all, and he's been completely ignored.

So his hell has to be worse than mine.
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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby Expatriot » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 01:43:19

americandream wrote:Frankly, what can we do? The economy is dependent on waste and built in obsolescence. Entire industries are critically dependent on the continuous sale of short life wasteful trivia.

Expatriot wrote:Worst thing is, unlike us Cassandras, this dude was paid by Congress to let the world know what was coming, he did it, clarion call and all, and he's been completely ignored.

So his hell has to be worse than mine.


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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 03:26:17

wrote:...what can we do? ....


Build nukes.

Build renewable energy facilities of all kinds

Build electric intercity rail

Build light commuter rail in the cities

Build electric cars

Move off oil and towards an all-electric economy.

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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 03:38:24

Plantagenet wrote:Move off oil and towards an all-electric economy.


I don't get your picture, Plant. What are you saying, in the all-electric utopia women will breast feed by the lake with flowers in their hair, deer peacefully grazing at their feet, and it will all be in technicolor?
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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby americandream » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 07:08:22

American style consumerism across all 6 billion comprehensively powered by electricity and renewables. Can anyone see whats wrong with this picture?
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