[Cid_Yama]

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce wants middle school students to consider what would happen if government regulations shut down the coal industry or another domestic energy source.
The question is part of a teaching guide the group plans to distribute to roughly 100,000 classrooms across the country as part of its "Shedding Light on Energy" program with educational publisher Scholastic Inc.
"What do you think could happen if one of our energy sources was suddenly unavailable (e.g., power plant maintenance, government curb on production, etc.)?" the guide asks.
Chamber officials maintain that there is no "hidden agenda" behind the question or the educational outreach effort in general. But given the current political climate surrounding the Environmental Protection Agency's efforts to regulate greenhouse gas emissions, the group's direct involvement in public school education is expected to make environmentalists and like-minded progressives uncomfortable.
Actually, the fact that Scholastic is using its wholesome name to traffic the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's pollution-friendly propaganda should be alarming to anyone with kids in the public school system. (I have two.) In fact, the hypocrisy embedded in the U.S. Chamber's involvement in producing education materials on energy for kids is downright shocking.

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[Cog]

Here is some of the course content that has Cid all torqued up. I see nothing particularly ominous in students learning about energy.

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM169_e ... kshts.html

Objectives: Students will understand:
• the major U.S. energy sources and
how they are used, with a focus on
residential and transportation uses
• when to use different types of graphs
to display information

What are some key facts you
learned about energy?
• What do you think could happen
if one of our energy sources was
suddenly unavailable (e.g., power
plant maintenance, government
curb on production, etc.)?
• Do you think the graphs used
in the worksheets were the
appropriate types of graphs
to use for the information
displayed, and why?

[Cid_Yama]

Of course you wouldn't. To you, lack of regulation is fine, it's all a conspiracy. To you Meemoe is right. There is no such thing as global warming. Species are not going extinct.

The world is just hunky dory and you're not really fracking everybody over for your own profit even if it means the end of the world.

[Pretorian]

Of course you wouldn't. To you, lack of regulation is fine, it's all a conspiracy. To you Meemoe is right. There is no such thing as global warming. Species are not going extinct.

The world is just hunky dory and you're not really fracking everybody over for your own profit even if it means the end of the world.

oh common Cid. People in general are lazy apes that dont give a shit about pretty much anything that is not (their) bread or circus. Look at orangutangs or gorillas-- do you see them worry much?
Yourself included--- I am sure there are at least 100 endangered species within 100 miles no matter where you live. What have you done for them?

[Oakley]

Of course you wouldn't. To you, lack of regulation is fine, it's all a conspiracy. To you Meemoe is right. There is no such thing as global warming. Species are not going extinct.

The world is just hunky dory and you're not really fracking everybody over for your own profit even if it means the end of the world.

Schools have long been indoctrination centers. It didn't start yesterday with the US Chamber of Commerce. I would say that collectivist indoctrination has been far more pervasive than anything that smacks of freedom. The government owned and operated school system seems to me to shut down thinking and encourage passivity and lock step marching.

If I were you I would be more concerned about how to get from here through the rest of your life as civilization crumbles, and less concerned about kids getting exposed to a point of view that frightens you. Book burning is hardly the path to enlightenment and suppression of alternative points of view is nothing more than good old fashion book burning. I can tell you from discussions I have had with my grammar school age grandchildren that they get plenty of the eco-freak point of view in the classroom.

[Shar_Lamagne]

The world is ending soon enough. I want to see justice before the end. Whether that be heads in baskets or not. Keep the bit about your lies should get equal play to yourself.

Sorry, got carried away. I find it hard to take the lies.

Once the children have been taught critical thinking skills, your lies will have no effect. Until then they need to be protected from your propaganda.

[PrestonSturges]

Of course you wouldn't. To you, lack of regulation is fine, it's all a conspiracy. To you Meemoe is right. There is no such thing as global warming. Species are not going extinct.
The world is just hunky dory and you're not really fracking everybody over for your own profit even if it means the end of the world.

Schools have long been indoctrination centers. It didn't start yesterday with the US Chamber of Commerce. I would say that collectivist indoctrination has been far more pervasive than anything that smacks of freedom. The government owned and operated school system seems to me to shut down thinking and encourage passivity and lock step marching.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag...."

[PrestonSturges]

As Burroughs said:

(Prison psychiatrist) asked me what the American flag means to me. I said "Soak it in heroin Doc, and I'll suck on it." F*****g croaker wouldn't give me a goofball. Sez I have an attitude problem."

[Oakley]

They world is ending soon enough. I want to see justice before the end. Whether that be heads in baskets or not. Keep the bit about your lies should get equal play to yourself.

Sorry, got carried away. I find it hard to take the lies.

I take it you want only one side of arguments to be presented, your side. I suppose that is either a discount of the capabilities of those listening to arguments from both sides, or some lack of confidence in your own belief system and the validity of your own arguments.

As far as heads in baskets, I suspect that this will come to pass. People generally get down right brutal when the thin veneer of civilization is washed away by tidal waves of economic and social collapse. In the coming civil eruption, I suspect that there will be plenty of killing coming from all sides, as the desperate struggle for the necessities of life magnifies the divisions we have over whether we should relate to one another voluntarily or under the compulsion of government force.

[Oakley]

Of course you wouldn't. To you, lack of regulation is fine, it's all a conspiracy. To you Meemoe is right. There is no such thing as global warming. Species are not going extinct.
The world is just hunky dory and you're not really fracking everybody over for your own profit even if it means the end of the world.

Schools have long been indoctrination centers. It didn't start yesterday with the US Chamber of Commerce. I would say that collectivist indoctrination has been far more pervasive than anything that smacks of freedom. The government owned and operated school system seems to me to shut down thinking and encourage passivity and lock step marching.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag...."

Do we actually agree on something? I am shocked. Maybe I misunderstood what you wrote.

[Shar_Lamagne]

I take it you want only one side of arguments to be presented, your side. I suppose that is either a discount of the capabilities of those listening to arguments from both sides, or some lack of confidence in your own belief system and the validity of your own arguments.

When it comes to children, they lack the skills to discern the truth. Just a fact of developmental psychology.

That's where the parents need to come in and stop people like you from filling their heads with lies before they can know the truth.

The Dark side must be stopped at every turn as they are insideous.

[Oakley]

I take it you want only one side of arguments to be presented, your side. I suppose that is either a discount of the capabilities of those listening to arguments from both sides, or some lack of confidence in your own belief system and the validity of your own arguments.

When it comes to children, they lack the skills to discern the truth. Just a fact of developmental psychology.

That's where the parents need to come in and stop people like you from filling their heads with lies before they can know the truth.

The Dark side must be stopped at every turn as they are insideous.

I do not agree with your fears. When kids are presented with alternative points of views, it helps them to learn critical thinking; they learn, if nothing else, that it is not all black and white. When they are presented with just one side and told that anything they hear to the contrary is a lie, then they are being indoctrinated. You have little to fear, though, because the government owned and operated school system is heavily biased in favor of collectivist thinking and the "government is supreme" message gets drilled into the minds of children with considerable regularity. More children than not graduate having been duly conditioned to regimentation and acceptance of authority; with individual identities crushed there is little danger of them acting independently outside of their programming.

[Cog]

Whenever I see a outlandish position taken by either the left or right, I always find there is some unmentioned reality somewhere else if you dig a little. Cid like to tell one side of this, I like pointing out the other. I'm not surprised it doesn't amuse him much.

[Cog]

The world is ending soon enough. I want to see justice before the end. Whether that be heads in baskets or not. Keep the bit about your lies should get equal play to yourself.

Sorry, got carried away. I find it hard to take the lies.

Once the children have been taught critical thinking skills, your lies will have no effect. Until then they need to be protected from your propaganda.

Translation: Teach my version of reality to the exclusion of all else.

[SeaGypsy]

What bollocks! Teaching children obvious facts about the impending danger the entire world is facing is 'political reeducation' as opposed to promoting the slave market debt driven status quo?
Critical thinking has almost exclusively always been about class.
If you come from an intelligent, broadly educated, open minded family with time to spare then you might be one of the tiny percentile who have any real ability for independent thought. If not, well; not.
Seeems to me a lot of very poorly educated and not particularly intelligent people are damn sure they are right, nomatter what reality slaps them with.
Classical education is of a bygone era and has become a hobby for oddball introverts, while everyone else acts in their own best short term interest; consequences be damned. The education system has become an industrial training complex, pure and simple; specialising only in specialisation.
I personally applaud any move back to a classical critical education system, even though it's too late to 'save the world'.
I believe that we have an innate right to understand as much as we are capable of grasping of reality. Teachers should be classicly trained or they should not be teachers other than in specialist technical capacity.

[Serial_Worrier]

Cid Yama is a raging fascist who wants HIS version of reality taught to the exclusion of all else.