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Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 15:33:45

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Ok, now let's ask a few questions.....

What if this wasn't one of ours?
Who else has this capability? China? Russia? Is this some sort of warning to Obama and/or Bernanke?

Where was it launched from?
Sea-launched, as near as we can tell - but surface or submarine? Given the commercial and recreational vessel traffic in that area, if this was ship-launched someone should have seen the launching vessel. Now, more than 12 hours later, there are no reports of anyone having it on radar. Note that private vessel radars are quite-capable of resolving a ship large enough to launch something like this from the distance to the horizon. My ship's radar was quite-capable of resolving a vessel of this size if low to the water in the 10-12 mile range (curvature of the earth) and if the vessel had significant superstructure above the water, even further. If this thing was submarine launched then it gets even more interesting.

Why the silence?
I find it very unlikely this was one of ours - unless it was a mistake. An intentional launch - even of a missile with a dummy "warhead" - this close to LA? No way. A malfunction could have sent that thing right into downtown before it could be destroyed, and even unarmed it would do a hell of a lot of damage. For this reason I do not believe this was an intentional US test.

Where were the NOTAMs if this was ours?
Missing, that's where. Multiple reports now that there were NO notices posted for aviators. No way in hell our military intentionally launches a missile without posting NOTAMs for the civilian air system before it happens. This means it either wasn't ours, or wasn't intentionally launched.

Where are the people who heard the notices on VHF Marine Radios and others?
I live less than 5 miles from Eglin AFB. They run military exercises all the time out in the gulf. I boat in the gulf. There are not only NOTAMs posted all the time on their activity, but there are also notices posted for mariners when they intend to do things out in the deep blue sea. The military comes up on VHF regularly and announces their intentions - and if you get too close by accident they are rather explicit in their warnings to you as well. I have heard these warnings and notices dozens of times. The point is this: if this was a military exercise there would be hundreds if not thousands of mariners who would have heard about it, and it would have been pointed out by now in the media.

None of the remaining scenarios, once one eliminates the improbable (at best) ones, are good. Some of them are decidedly very bad. If that was a sub-launched device and the submarine wasn't ours, then we have a submarine that got within 50 miles of our coast. You might think that's funny, but I sure as hell don't - the next one of those pretty little lawndarts could easily head the other direction.
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MSNBC story (for some reason I couldn't copy and paste the full article from their site):

U.S. sees no threat in mystery 'missile'
Pentagon says it's baffled, but scientists suggest it's just a jetliner with spectacular contrail

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40087187/ns/us_news-security/


So.. no official explanation. Best guess from "scientists" is that it's just a jet contrail viewed from an odd angle. But if you watch the news chopper video, this sure looks like a missile to me, not a jet contrail.

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2qKMchcgzk

Lots of folks on the internets are saying this was so big it had to be an ICBM.. 8O and it was viewed from multiple angles, which discredits the jet contrail theory IMHO.
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 15:45:03

Ok, found a news article that will let me copy and paste:

Pentagon Can't Explain "Missile" off California

(CBS/AP) The Pentagon Tuesday said it was trying to determine if a missile was launched Monday off the coast of Southern California and who might have launched it.

Spokesmen for the Navy, Air Force, Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command said they were looking into a video posted on the CBS News website that appears to show a rocket or some other object shooting up into the sky and leaving a large contrail over the Pacific Ocean.

The video was shot by a CBS affiliate KCBS' helicopter, the station said Tuesday.

"Nobody within the Department of Defense that we've reached out to has been able to explain what this contrail is, where it came from," Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said. "So far, we've come up empty with any explanation."

Lapan said officials are talking to the Air Force, Navy and NORAD as well as civilian authorities who control and monitor air space.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/09/national/main7037857.shtml?tag=topnews
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby efarmer » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 15:56:06

No way to be sure, but it strikes me as very likely that Schweinshaxe would be implicit in a scheme like this...
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Niagara » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 16:05:38

A "tinfoil" explanation, in light of the spooky webbot activity and the Seoul Korea summit this week:

It's a false-flag warning to the Chinese ie. the next missile could be turned inland towards L.A. and guess who we're gonna pin it on?
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Pops » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 16:09:34

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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 16:26:18

This was definitely a warning to somebody, probably China.
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Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby deMolay » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 19:03:16

No one even the Pentagon has no clue. Reports and video show a large missle launch from the sea 35 miles off the coast of California.
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Mesuge » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 19:25:12

If the chinese/russian/NK show off scenarion is legit explanation then it certainly links to that India/Asia POTUS trip and QE2 and G20. Remember the chinese subs already demonstrated in mid 2000s their "invisibility" to the U.S. mil appartatus. Interesting musings anyway.
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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby deMolay » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 19:33:51

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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Lore » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 19:41:38

It’s thought to be an airplane. Moved too slow to be a missile and changed directions in ways unlike any missile would. Was viewed with the sunset as a backdrop and positioned in such a manner as to deceive the eye. No radar indications either from the airport or NORAD gave any indication of an object that could be identified as a missile. I’m sure though conspiracy theorists will have fun with this, as usual.
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 19:43:49

Lore wrote:It’s thought to be an airplane. Moved too slow to be a missile and changed directions in ways unlike any missile would. Was viewed with the sunset as a backdrop and positioned in such a manner as to deceive the eye. No radar indications either from the airport or NORAD gave any indication of an object that could be identified as a missile. I’m sure though conspiracy theorists will have fun with this, as usual.



Airplane ? :lol: :lol:
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Lore » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 19:56:20

Armageddon wrote:Airplane ? :lol: :lol:


Ok,… maybe this is more acceptable to you. In celebration of the 33rd anniversary of Meat Loaf’s “Bat Out Of Hell”, he decided to do a one time reenactment.

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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Cloud9 » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 20:00:16

Looks like what we see here in Florida from time to time launched from Cape Kennedy. The space shuttle appears to be moving slow too, but it is moving a vast distance at escape velocity. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but if you expect your government to be forthcoming about a threat of this magnitude, you are dreaming. Research how forthcoming the government was about the Japanese fire bombing of the United States in WWII.

Somebody showed us our ass is hanging out, and I suspect it was the Chinese.
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby dissident » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 20:16:11

The video at link shows it to be a missile launch. Airplanes don't produce a rocket-like point of light from the engines. You can clearly see a bright point of light at the head of the exhaust fume trail.

These sorts of launches have to be announced under arms limitation agreements and cannot be staged "off the cuff" without a breach of those agreements. If some intellectual giants think this is a way to impress China then they are lunatics. This could launch a nuclear exchange with Russia (yes, the missiles are still on alert).
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 20:24:04

BS, they know, they just aren't saying.
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby ritter » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 20:26:53

If is was a plane, surely it would have been on radar. Seems like it would be relatively easy for the military to check in with LAX or someone about planes in that vicinity... :-D
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 20:30:55

ritter wrote:If is was a plane, surely it would have been on radar. Seems like it would be relatively easy for the military to check in with LAX or someone about planes in that vicinity... :-D



That's EXACTLY why it wasn't a commercial aircraft. If it was someone from FAA or the airlines would have hours ago let everyone know it was, for example, UA 123 from Narita, Hawaii, or Hong Kong. So the logical alternative theories just moved up a notch. I like the Chinese or Russian missile idea.
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 20:31:32

dissident wrote:The video at link shows it to be a missile launch. Airplanes don't produce a rocket-like point of light from the engines. You can clearly see a bright point of light at the head of the exhaust fume trail.


Yup. Think about it folks.. have you ever seen a jet flying in the distance with FIRE coming out? If that was a plane then there had to be an engine fire, but even that wouldn't make sense because it wouldn't be visible from so far off.

In the video I linked, they interviewed a former US ambassador to NATO and former deputy Sec of Defense. He said it looked like a "big missile." He also says we should wait for explanation from the military, but when asked what he really thought he said it was probably a test firing to remind the Chinese that we still have this capability. He mentioned we test fired an ICBM from a sub in the Atlantic once; if this was a test, it would be the first one we've done in the Pacific.
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Re: Unexplained, very large missile launched 35 miles off LA

Unread postby lper100km » Tue 09 Nov 2010, 21:01:37

OK, so where did it splash down? Aren’t there satellites supposed to keep an eye on such things?
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