[Unconventional Ideas]

Why are they allowed? Isn't there a moderator to keep them out?

I don't see the point of allowing them here. Am I missing something?

[Beery]

I think they're probably allowed here so that we can gauge the level of denial.

[joewp]

For some people, that level is really high.

[rockdoc123]

why would you keep people with dissenting opinions out? Seems to me that it is always worthwhile to revisit your own assumptions regularly.

[Xenophobe]

Why are they allowed?

I don't know that there are any. Everyone here believes in peak oil, its one of those definitional things, of COURSE oil will peak. CERA admits it, Lynch admits it, the US government has been admitting it since at least 1919, peak oil is actually the one thing everyone AGREES on.

Its the semi-religious hysterical consequences thing where the problem seems to reside.

Isn't there a moderator to keep them out?

Why would they want to do that? Have you even seen what the other groupthink centers on peak oil are like once you make sure that no one except the anointed are permitted to speak? Its awful.....same people, saying the same thing...until yet another prediction becomes historical non-fact...then they make up another one....rinse and repeat. You would think they are goldfish it's so bad.

I don't see the point of allowing them here. Am I missing something?

Yes. This isn't a latoc groupthink clone. There are 5 available for the church members ex-communicated by latoc, I've provided links to all of them elsewhere. Would you like to know where they are, that you may commune among only the faithful of a particular congregation? I'll need a little more info to be able to direct you properly, are you interested in the Amish wanna be angle (lots of gardening advice, old style farming)? Or Doomer lite (no swearing, no heavy gun nuts, no tinfoil but being depressed and worried is okay)? Doomer heavy(the world was ending last week, its ending this week, its ending tomorrow, yada yada yada)? Nonstop tinfoil alien stuff (aliens rule the world, NASA hides the aliens, alien technology was used by BP to plug the leak in the Gulf, the Mayans were aliens)? Doomer Brit (married ex-latocians, pretend to be nice, links to recycled energy bulletin and tod stuff, no new thought, pretend happiness and light...with some Doom talk)?

All offer plenty of censorship to any new or critical thought, will ban anyone who doesn't sing in the choir, and in tune, its all quite comfortable for any peaker who doesn't want to be confronted with the horrifying reality of peak oil, i,e, a year long recession then back to normal.

[PrestonSturges]

Why are they allowed? Isn't there a moderator to keep them out?

I don't see the point of allowing them here. Am I missing something?

I kind of enjoy the mockery, ridicule, ad hominems.

But it is interesting to hear the hoax of the week, which the last week has been declaring that some article is a smoking gun disproving climate change, and a quick look shows the article isn't even about climate.

[Newfie]

why would you keep people with dissenting opinions out? Seems to me that it is always worthwhile to revisit your own assumptions regularly.

It is not a question of dissenting opinions Rockdoc, it is belligerent interference with on-going conversations.

Just look back at the conversation with Meemo-uk. He said that he tried to start his own thread but couldn't get any attention. And that he was subject to abuse for his thoughts. The implication was that his solution was to simply move to someone else's thread and heap abuse on someone else. Then he is offended when he gets blasted back.

Let me tell you for sure that the problems that exist with THIS board are NOT universal. I share threads with some of these folks elsewhere and there is NEVER this kind of acrimony. Yet we have reasonable disagreement and dissenting opinions all the time.

This is really about a few people who are messing with otherwise relatively mature discussions. Let them squat elsewhere, double entendre intended.

My apologies if I offended, but frankly it is time for frank talk.

[sparky]

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Xenophobe
"Its the semi-religious hysterical consequences thing where the problem seems to reside."

......A free mind , how refreshing

censorship is the reply of the dumb

[careinke]

Why are they allowed?

Yes. This isn't a latoc groupthink clone. There are 5 available for the church members ex-communicated by latoc, I've provided links to all of them elsewhere. Would you like to know where they are, that you may commune among only the faithful of a particular congregation? I'll need a little more info to be able to direct you properly, are you interested in the Amish wanna be angle (lots of gardening advice, old style farming)? Or Doomer lite (no swearing, no heavy gun nuts, no tinfoil but being depressed and worried is okay)? Doomer heavy(the world was ending last week, its ending this week, its ending tomorrow, yada yada yada)? Nonstop tinfoil alien stuff (aliens rule the world, NASA hides the aliens, alien technology was used by BP to plug the leak in the Gulf, the Mayans were aliens)? Doomer Brit (married ex-latocians, pretend to be nice, links to recycled energy bulletin and tod stuff, no new thought, pretend happiness and light...with some Doom talk)?

I'd like the link for the Amish wanna be angle please.

[Xenophobe]

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Xenophobe
"Its the semi-religious hysterical consequences thing where the problem seems to reside."

......A free mind , how refreshing

censorship is the reply of the dumb

Absolutely. Interesting that peak oilers utilize it so heavily to manage conversations, don't you think?

[Xenophobe]

I'd like the link for the Amish wanna be angle please.

Of course.

http://forums.sustainablecountry.com/forums/forum.php

[dolanbaker]

The "pigeonholing" that goes on on this site is unbelievable! Someone expresses a viewpoint that is "unacceptable" to certain members here and they are immediately lumped into a grouping that bears little resemblance to what they actually aspire to.

This thread is a classic example of such thinking.

[vision-master]

"unacceptable" to certain members

So, you are talking about JD, Shorty, Oily and Anti?

Tell me more........

[dukey]

I DENY THE SUN CAME UP TODAY

[vision-master]

Your right, it didn't. Will it die tonight/ Yes.

[sparky]

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Denialists are very rare and lightweights thinkers

there is some respectable posters who question the whole sudden collapse scenario
That is proper ,
the peak timing and the effect this will have are what it's all about

I'm a doomer the way a man watch the tide , it's not fast but it's relentless
and for the sand castle of advanced civilization , quite final .

Any discussion on remaining exploitable reserves is OK ,
it might delay the picture but it doesn't change the outcome
I'm in no hurry ,I can listen to anyone , think about what they said and make up my own mind

[Xenophobe]

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Denialists are very rare and lightweights thinkers

True...but BAU denialists can concentrate in small dark spots on the www and with vigorous back slapping convince themselves they know whats going on.

Any discussion on remaining exploitable reserves is OK ,
it might delay the picture but it doesn't change the outcome
I'm in no hurry ,I can listen to anyone , think about what they said and make up my own mind

Excellent attitude. Count me in.

[Homesteader]

I'm a doomer the way a man watch the tide , it's not fast but it's relentless
and for the sand castle of advanced civilization , quite final .

Nicely put.

[dolanbaker]

I'm a doomer the way a man watch the tide , it's not fast but it's relentless
and for the sand castle of advanced civilization , quite final .

Nicely put.

It's fair to say that the current generation are the last great sandcastle builders, the next couple of generations will be rebuilding them smaller and further up the beach until they eventually reach a point above the high tide line, aka, fossil fuel dependency.

[Keith_McClary]

This seems to be the thinking of some cornies:

Whenever oil prices increase, more oil becomes economically recoverable, therefore we will never run out.

Sort of like Zeno's paradox, that Achilles could never catch the tortoise.

Also this:

A replacement for oil will appear when we need it, and so on, ad infinitum.