[evilgenius]

In light of the times, food price induced unraveling in the 'Arab World', there is a real possibility that the continued flow of oil out of the region may become threatened. If this occurs the US will have a choice of trying to keep the status quo in place using more and more investment or to radically change sides. This poll is about the possibility of the US changing sides.

[hillsidedigger]

After Israel nukes several targets in the Arab world but is still overrun and annihilated the United States will abandon them.

[Plantagenet]

The US will abandon Israel when the Muslim vote in the USA becomes larger then the Jewish vote.

[gollum]

Politically a long way off, but I'm betting the flow of cash will be stopping in the next few years.

[lper100km]

The US will abandon Israel when the Muslim vote in the USA becomes larger then the Jewish vote.

So you can be a realist when you put your mind to it?

[mos6507]

The US will abandon Israel when the Muslim vote in the USA becomes larger then the Jewish vote.

So you can be a realist when you put your mind to it?

Don't worry, if that happens he'll blame that on Obama too.

[Fishman]

Not going to happen. With 40 % of he US population now calling themselves conservative. Not with the Arab states collapsing. Oil and gas offshore Israel now. Not after 9/11. Not as long as Israel is a democracy in the midst of theocracies and tyrannies.

[ian807]

Israel will be abandoned when there's no more oil in the middle east.

Right now though, it's not in our self interest to abandon Israel. They still have the nukes we provided. They are still the joker in the deck in that they can bomb any Arab country that gives us too much trouble, but we don't have to get bombed in return. They are a cold war hold-over admittedly, but in realpolitik terms, still useful.

[nobodypanic]

when the choice becomes israel or oil, g'bye israel.

[Keith_McClary]

The US will abandon Israel when the Muslim vote in the USA becomes larger then the Jewish vote.

When the payoff to politicians becomes larger.

In today's news:
US Energy report says Canadian pipeline could lower demand for Middle East oil

The U.S. State department, headed by Hillary Clinton, has yet to announce whether it will give final approval for the $7-billion Keystone XL pipeline being proposed by Calgary-based TransCanada Corp. (TSX:TRP).
However, a study commissioned by the U.S. government and released earlier this week argues that the pipeline could reduce American dependency on oil from the Middle East and other regions by a substantial amount.
It also suggests the proposed 3,060-kilometre pipeline, coupled with a reduction in overall U.S. oil demand, "could essentially eliminate Middle East crude imports longer term."

Not likely unless the US adopts a sane energy policy.

[Plantagenet]

when the choice becomes israel or oil, g'bye israel.

Its interesting that about half the posters think the US is helping Israel to keep getting ME oil, and the other half think the US has to dump Israel to keep getting ME oil.

You're all wrong.

Israel doesn't have any oil and Israel isn't helping the US get any oil and cutting off Israel wouldn't gain the US a single additional barrel of oil.

[nobodypanic]

when the choice becomes israel or oil, g'bye israel.

Its interesting that about half the posters think the US is helping Israel to keep getting ME oil, and the other half think the US has to dump Israel to keep getting ME oil.

You're all wrong.

Israel doesn't have any oil and Israel isn't helping the US get any oil and cutting off Israel wouldn't gain the US a single additional barrel of oil.

well that's a nice argument you've just had with yourself, but i never made any of those points.

[vtsnowedin]

It's just as likely that Israel will abandon the US.When we pull out of the region due to a lack of funds they will have to deal with the new eight hundred pound gorrilla in the room China. Such a deal!.

[Tanada]

vtsnowedin is half right IMO, we will desert Israel when China tells us to do so, they are our bond holder in majority and that gives them enormous subtle power. Any time they wish to be blunt they can, but my study of China leads me to believe they vastly prefer subtle influence.

[vision-master]

TPTB are directly connected viva, USA/ Is-Ra-eL

Isis [IS]
Ra
Ellil [EL]

[pedalling_faster]

Obviously, de-funding Israeli Apartheid is the moral choice, given Israel's decades long history of terrorism support.

By comparison, there was the decision 30 years ago to stand up to South African Apartheid.

but the US doesn't talk much about these distinctions ...

Israeli False Flag Terrorism - The LaVon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Israeli False Flag Terrorism - The Attack on the King David Hotel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Israeli False Flag Terrorism - The USS Liberty
http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/
http://www.ussliberty.org/

Israeli Terrorism - Irgun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

Israeli Terrorism - Stern Gang
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... Stern-Gang

Israeli Terrorism - Haganah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

[mos6507]

Israel doesn't have any oil and Israel isn't helping the US get any oil and cutting off Israel wouldn't gain the US a single additional barrel of oil.

Planty finally said something rational. I know it happens once every six months or so.

The US supports Israel for the same reason it supports Europe (NATO) and South Korea. It is in order to further the cause of democratic regimes. You can quibble that Israel isn't fully democratic since it's the "Jewish" state, but compared to the other countries in the region, it's a paragon of virtue.

[Keith_McClary]

The US supports Israel for the same reason it supports Europe (NATO) and South Korea. It is in order to further the cause of democratic regimes.

Millions of your Hebie/Jeebus fundies say it's about the God Given Right of His Chosen People to their Promised Land.

The US has an overwhelming longstanding preference for tyrants in resource rich countries and their ethno-religious neighbors.

In the news we see Obama conspiring with Mubarak and your Senate passing resolutions giving the Egyptians orders. They say it is about democracy but if the past is any guide they are maneuvering to install a new dictator. Wait and see, although they're trying to get rid of the media, so you'll just have to believe the official US line, as you always do.

[Plantagenet]

Israel doesn't have any oil and Israel isn't helping the US get any oil and cutting off Israel wouldn't gain the US a single additional barrel of oil.

Planty finally said something rational. I know it happens once every six months or so.

The US supports Israel for the same reason it supports Europe (NATO) and South Korea. It is in order to further the cause of democratic regimes.

Mossie said something childish and naive, as usual.

The US supports Israel because there are strong Jewish voting blocks in key states (New York, NJ, Florida, Illinois) that support Israel, and there are well-organized and well-funded pro-Israel lobbying groups and political action committees that give campaign donations to politicians who support Israel. When the Moslem vote grows to the point it exceeds the Jewish vote and Moslem PACS start handing out money to buy influence and votes in DC, the domestic politics on this issue may change.

[Cloud9]

I predict that within the next two decades a nuke will go off in Washington D.C. and second nuke will go off in New York. I suspect the radioactive residue will point to the former state of Pakistan. The weapons will be delivered ala Tom Clancy in a vending machine. If it is fifteen or more nukes spread around the country, they will be delivered by rental truck and the residue may still be Pakistani, but the driving force behind their delivery will be the Chinese. The grid will shut down and the U.S. will slip into chaos.

That will take us out of the running for the final pools of oil hiding under the arctic and in the deep recesses of the world’s oceans. Either way the Muslims will get the blame. Mecca will be a sheet of molten glass and it will be a bad day to be Muslim in what is left of these United States.

Israel will take a shot at ethnic cleansing. They may or may not be successful. If the IDF is given free reign, my money is bet on the Jews.