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People of Tulsa dig themselves out

Unread postby pup55 » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 09:07:10

TULSA, Okla. – With Tulsa buried by its snowiest winter on record and few snowplows in sight, an army of citizens has stepped in where the city failed, putting plows on their pickups to clear streets, checking on senior citizens and even lining up behind stalled cars to push them up highway ramps.

The city has been hit by three winter blasts in less than a week, and many streets are still choked with snow. With cleanup efforts moving slowly, if at all, ordinary people took matters into their own hands to help dig out.

Other drivers put slow blades on their trucks. And on the slickest roads, it was not uncommon to see drivers pull over, gather behind a stalled vehicle and attempt to push it out of the snow or up the next exit ramp.

In the wake of the latest storm, icy temperatures descended on the Plains and parts of the South on Thursday, leaving ranchers and farmers to fret about the welfare of livestock left outside in up to 2 feet of snow.

The thermometer read minus 31 degrees in Nowata, Okla., breaking the state's previous record low of minus 27 degrees set in 1905 and matched in 1930.

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Well, here's an interesting case. Perhaps some of the PO.com forum dwellers from this area can tell us if this is actually happening....

but it looks as though some people are helping themselves, and each other, rather than waiting for some munificent force to swoop down and take care of them.... and they appear not to be busting into stores, and burning the place down in the face of disaster... There is no "mad max" scenario. Apparently just the opposite.

This looks more like "social cohesion" rather than "societal breakdown"...

Maybe it's just too cold. Dunno what to make of it.
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Re: People of Tulsa dig themselves out

Unread postby pup55 » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 09:09:47

p.s. I guess I would encourage everybody to think about their own local community and what would happen if exactly the same thing happened there....

I kinda want to move to Tulsa if TSHTF.
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Re: People of Tulsa dig themselves out

Unread postby Pops » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 09:28:52

about 3hrs NW of Tulsa...

put out hay for a neighbor who is recovering from surgery and couldn't make it through the drifts (20" +/- in 2 storms)
Hauled water for another neighbor with broken pipes (-12*)
borrowed a "Cup O' Internet" from another neighbor 'cuz mine fried from a lightning strike in a thunder-snow-storm.
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Re: People of Tulsa dig themselves out

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 09:47:06

It's just a nice story about human nature for a change. Just as no news is good news, good news is no news; really. Millions of humans do good stuff to help out every day. If this is really any big story in the states that's pretty sad. Encouraging that the MSM has picked it up. Makes a pleasant change.
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Re: People of Tulsa dig themselves out

Unread postby Oakley » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 09:58:40

This is they way it has always been in the Ozarks. Neighbors help neighbors, and not just in the countryside where anonymity does not exist, but in the cities too.

But if you read Dimitri Orlov about the stages that developed during the USSR collapse, he points out that early on people did have empathy, but as the crisis became more life threatening, people lost empathy.

A major snow storm is one thing, but widespread starvation over a long period of time is quite a different crisis, and I think you will find that the degree to which people will be willing to help others will be substantially diminished; empathy will extend only to family and very close friends, and others will be "they", not "we".
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Re: People of Tulsa dig themselves out

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 10:03:54

Living in the cyclone belt of Australia and Typhoon alley in the Philippines I have got way used to this stuff. In a really big emergency, guv is always stretched way beyond capactity. When on a grand scale it really does get down to live and death. Once in a situation like that and you see people stop whatever and help, it inspires you to do likewise. These events can do a lot of good for community spirit.

Queen Kunti, Krishna's mother : (after 3000 years of peace)

"Let the Calamities return; so the might remember You".

The essence of the Vedas and summed up in the Bhagavad Gita is:

"We are naturally servants to each other, in acting compleltly naturally all dualism is removed and we simply serve, knowing we are serving Krsna for he is the very essence of every living soul."
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Re: People of Tulsa dig themselves out

Unread postby anador » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 11:05:33

I like to think I live in an unfriendly part of the country. But the truth is every season in Massachusetts the Town's resources are stretched way to thin and volunteers clear many of the local roads before the town can get there.

Local Cities like Fall River also have little money to focus on some of the poorer neighborhoods, most of those side streets are cleared by volunteers.

Theres something about the shared burden of snow that makes people very cooperative and generous.

Its solidarity through frigidity or something like that.
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Re: People of Tulsa dig themselves out

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 11:11:10

Nope. It's extremely common in the tropics and the poorer the people the more naturally they do it.
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