mos6507 wrote: How is any elected official going to put more water into the aquifers, more topsoil into the heartland, less nitrogen runoff into the oceans, and on and on and on.
mos6507 wrote:There's two ways to spin this, but either peak oil is a way to bring people together who have other agendas who can then work together OR peak oil is a magnet for people with ulterior motives who are just opportunistically looking for doom to advance their agenda.
Do people come here because peak oil is some sort of trojan horse in which one -ism or the next (libertarianism being the dominant one) sees how it can be used to fruther their ideology?
Petty politics is another, in which people who I guess are bored enough about doom not to talk about it anymore, pass the time by hitting F5 over their favorite pundit (Zerohedge or FoxNews or whatever)...
Still, if you look at the posting history of a lot of people here, you'll see that they have an agenda. They want to influence people towards some end, and it rarely has anything to do with doom or doomer prep. So you've got Planty who has no purpose here other than to lower Obama's approval ratings. Or you have V-M who has no agenda other than to convince us that humans got their start via genetic tampering by aliens. Or you have the marijuana guy who thinks all the world's problems can be solved with "hemp."
basil_hayden wrote:Speaking of ulterior motives, yours seems to involve looking for someone to attack
mos6507 wrote:basil_hayden wrote:Speaking of ulterior motives, yours seems to involve looking for someone to attack
What do you care? You don't even believe in global warming anyway.
Plantagenet wrote:mos6507 wrote: How is any elected official going to put more water into the aquifers, more topsoil into the heartland, less nitrogen runoff into the oceans, and on and on and on.
One of Obama's campaign promises was to get the US off imported oil. Another Obama promise was to pass a "cap and trade" bill to reduce US carbon output. Another Obama promise was to craft a new, binding global climate change treaty at the Copenhagen meeting to stop global climate change. Obama even promised to "stop the seas from rising."
Mos----if you think it is impossible for an elected official to do any of these things, then why do you get so upset when Obama is criticized for lying when he pledged to do the things you now think are impossible for an elected official to do?
Its as though your entire reason for being here at Peak Oil is to cover up for Obama's lack of candor and policy failures
careinke wrote:Well, I come here to hear all the different sides of the issues. Its fascinating to see people how some people can believe in finite resources, yet at the same time want continued growth. Or people who know that over-consumption is one of our main problems, yet rail that we need to tax income instead of consumption, because consumption taxes are "regressive".
I also promote Libertarianism, Permaculture, and Pot Legalization whenever the opportunity arises.
careinke wrote: Its fascinating to see people how some people can believe in finite resources, yet at the same time want continued growth. Or people who know that over-consumption is one of our main problems, yet rail that we need to tax income instead of consumption, because consumption taxes are "regressive".
basil_hayden wrote:Why is what I believe, or anyone else for that matter, important to you anyhow?
SeaGypsy wrote:It is impossible to take positive action when bogged in a mire of negativity, nomatter how 'realistic' the basis thereof. This is why I appreciate characters like Xeno, Oily, Carl, Graeme; not because I am a cornucopian but because they simply lighten up the tension in the room. We need to give ourselves some headspace and physical space from doom, it's not healthy to obsess.
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