[americandream]

Capitalism 101:

Organic consumers and producers in the U.S. are facing betrayal. A self-appointed group of "Organic Elites", including Whole Foods Market, Organic Valley, and Stonyfield Farm, are surrendering to Monsanto.

Top executives from these companies publicly stated several weeks ago that they support the so-called "coexistence" of organics with genetically modified (GM) crops.

Mercola

[Ludi]

Sick.

[americandream]

Sick.

They get a taste of the high life and out go the ideals.

[misterno]

I wonder how the rich people will react on this
Because whenever I go to wholefoods I see extremely rich people

I don't think this news will get some reaction from these customers. Who knows maybe lawsuits

[misterno]

I wonder how the rich people will react on this
Because whenever I go to wholefoods I see extremely rich people

I think this news will get some reaction from these customers. Who knows maybe lawsuits

[americandream]

I wonder how the rich people will react on this
Because whenever I go to wholefoods I see extremely rich people

I think this news will get some reaction from these customers. Who knows maybe lawsuits

The wholefoods scene is something of a fashion statement with a market with more money than sense.

[scas]

I'm glad for this.

I recommend reading Whole Earth Discipline by Stewart Brand. While there are inherent dangers with GE crops, if they are capable of raising the carrying capacity of our planet during these next five decades, then they are worth the risk. Food production must match the population bulge as it reaches 9 billion and begins its natural descent due to falling fertility.

If all your 'organic' crops die to fungi, salination and drought, will you turn up your nose at GE crops that survive? Climate change will be an exciting time for evolution and mutation in the bacterial and fungal world. New opportunities.

Why is it that the Hawaiian Papaya industry still exists? What other infected crops will be saved by GE as CC ravages us?

Genetic engineering of food is still in its infancy. It was only last year that Craig Venter created a synthetic reproducing cell. (synthetic DNA)

This is so exciting. Will humans survive? Will Earth turn to Venus? What a time.

[mos6507]

I'd rather we genetically engineer ourselves so we can live on photosynthesis, like Swamp Thing.



That's my version of the singularity for you. Fat chance.

[Loki]

If all your 'organic' crops die to fungi, salination and drought, will you turn up your nose at GE crops that survive? Climate change will be an exciting time for evolution and mutation in the bacterial and fungal world. New opportunities..

Organic farming is actually quite a bit more resilient to drought than conventional farming, GMOs or not. The key is proper soil management, not using some mutant trademarked cultivar. There's one reason and one reason only that so many resources are being poured into GMOs---corporate profit.

But I know, you don't want to hear anything positive about organics. You think technofixes will solve all our problems, right?

[Ludi]

Organic farming is actually quite a bit more resilient to drought than conventional farming, GMOs or not. The key is proper soil management, not using some mutant trademarked cultivar.

Yep, organic soils contain large amounts of humus, which holds moisture and nutrients in the soil. Conventional farming destroys humus and conventionally farmed soils don't hold either moisture or nutrients.

But that's all boring soil science, not shiny GMO science.

[Homesteader]

I'm glad for this.

If all your 'organic' crops die to fungi, salination and drought, will you turn up your nose at GE crops that survive? Climate change will be an exciting time for evolution and mutation in the bacterial and fungal world. New opportunities.
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Honestly, do you really think that GMO/Big Ag is going to deliver us from the path that "Green Revolution"/Big Ag is taking us down now? Destroyed ecosytems, unbridled soil erosion, ocean dead zones, more hungry people than ever before? Really?

Do you really believe that doing a crappy job of feeding 9 billion people is going to be better for the planet's biosphere than doing a crappy job of feeding 7 billion people?

[Loki]

Do you really believe that doing a crappy job of feeding 9 billion people is going to be better for the planet's biosphere than doing a crappy job of feeding 7 billion people?

The planet's biosphere is utterly irrelevant to those obsessed with GMOs. I think feeding poor people is also just as irrelevant to them, but it's a convenient excuse to unleash GMOs on the world. Does anyone actually believe Monsanto gives two shits about starving Africans? Ha!

There are more starving people in the world now than there ever have been despite the Green Revolution. The problem is not production, it's distribution. But the big corporate ag zealots don't want to hear this, or more accurately, they really don't care about the unwashed masses. Again, it's all about their bottom line.

[Ludi]

Honestly, do you really think that GMO/Big Ag is going to deliver us from the path that "Green Revolution"/Big Ag is taking us down now? Destroyed ecosytems, unbridled soil erosion, ocean dead zones, more hungry people than ever before? Really?

Sure, why not? At some point Monsanto will decide it is best to develop crops which maintain humus in the soil, allow native pollinators to flourish, and have no extraordinary fertilizer or water requirements. Monsanto will also roll its profits into funding worldwide family planning services and education and empowerment for women.

Any day now.

http://www.foodrenegade.com/vandana-shi ... s-of-gmos/

[Oneaboveall]

I'd rather we genetically engineer ourselves so we can live on photosynthesis, like Swamp Thing.



That's my version of the singularity for you. Fat chance.

I guess better Swamp Thing than Man-Thing...

[PrestonSturges]

I'd rather we genetically engineer ourselves so we can live on photosynthesis, like Swamp Thing.

That's my version of the singularity for you. Fat chance.

Getting rid of fur was the first step....

[rangerone314]

I'd rather we genetically engineer ourselves so we can live on photosynthesis, like Swamp Thing.



That's my version of the singularity for you. Fat chance.

+1

[rangerone314]

Sick.

They get a taste of the high life and out go the ideals.

Why is THIS a surprise?

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted
after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

[scas]

Loki, what is your opinion of Golden Rice?
And what of the Hawaiian papaya industry that have been saved by GE?

Are you sure that 7000 years of selective breeding has created the perfect crop?
And what of past societies that experienced famine, but only farmed organically?

What about places like Canada with a vast area and small population? How should they farm? If they wish to be world exporters then they will need use machinery. And if they stop exporting then people die.

It was only last year that Craig Venter inserted the first synthetic DNA into a cell that could live and reproduce. I'm guessing a lot here don't see the significance or wonder in that.

The manner in which you speak is quite zealous "big corporate ag zealots" "they don't care" etc. It is rare to see precise numbers given or a balanced viewpoint. My way or the highway.

I'm guessing it's the people without PhDs that are bashing the scientists though. Funny that you should accuse me of not caring for the poor. I was actually interested in pursuing a degree for the purpose of increasing crop yields, precisely to alleviate world hunger. Maybe if people weren't anti science then this wouldn't happen. http://www.worldpress.org/Africa/737.cfm

[SpringCreekFarm]

Not so much anti-science as anti-corporate.

Plant breeding is not the same as genetically modifying.

Biodiversity hedges our bets against having catastrophic crop failures.

Personally I take offence to corporations ramming things down our throats and shoving things up our ass.

[scas]

On this forum, if someone has a different opinion, we attack them in hopes that they'll leave and the forum will become homogeneous.

Better yet is to associate that person with some big evil company or of general misdeeds. That way you know his opinions are wrong.