[Rod_Cloutier]

I saw this story today about one million people fleeing the Ivory Coast:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/afric ... 49258.html

With all the news about the Middle East unravelling and the Japan disaster, its odd that a problem of this magnitude has gone unnoticed.

People at the heart of these types of conflict want a better standard of life, more food, more freedom, all of which is contrary to the 'best interests' of the wealthy establishments in any of these countries. For The 'status quo' of established corrupt states, people must be stripped of their rights and suppressed.

So people have two options. Fight back in revolution against corrupt elites or emigrate somewhere else.

While revolution is happening throughout the Middle East and North Africa, the situation in the Ivory Coast is representative of the other shoe left to drop- relocation. I've often wondered what would be the consequences when millions of people start moving about in the face of economic collapse or resource depletion? It now looks like we are going to find out.

In the case of mass emmigration conditions might improve for those who have stayed behind, while those who have left face hardship and dislocation. Not to mention the consequenses to the countries facing mass immigration! What happens when its not just one million moving, but 10 million or 100 million? We've got 7 billion of us trying to expoit the Earth to its ecological last dying breath, unlikely to be a pretty sight to watch or live through.

[rangerone314]

Maybe what is needed is a world-wide revolution everywhere to bring down the elites...

What if after toppling Mubarak, a few hundred thousand armed Egyptians surged into Libya to help those rebels? And so on, and so on...

[americandream]

Maybe what is needed is a world-wide revolution everywhere to bring down the elites...

What if after toppling Mubarak, a few hundred thousand armed Egyptians surged into Libya to help those rebels? And so on, and so on...

Problem is as long as the sustainers of capitalism prevail, viz Saudi Arabia, all these revolutions are bloody useless and will go nowhere. In fact big business will simply replace one clown with another.

[dolanbaker]

Ireland is a classic example of population changes brought about by migration, during the boom times (1995-2006) large numbers migrated to Ireland, many were returnees who left during previous recessions plus a large number of Eastern Europeans. Since the start of the recession the trend has been outwards again, particurlary amongst those in construction, but more recently the numbers have started to snowball as graduates are finding it hard to get work here and more Europeans are going home.

There is every chance we will soon see a reduction in the population again.

[Arthur75]

Of course there are economic issues, but the first issue in Ivory Coast is that it is on the brink of a civil war with already many dead further to last elections with Gbagbo sticking to power, Ouattara considered winner of the elections, sad as overall either Gbagbo or Ouattara aren't the worst thief in Africa for sure, and Ivory Coast used to be one of the developing country in Africa (and Abidjan key west African town), but now in a mess for quite some years (with also ethnic aspects : northern "sahelian" people (Ouattara) and coastal "forest" people (Gbagbo))

[Keith_McClary]

The oil-rich countries have large expat populations: Saudi 20%, Kuwait 60%, Libya 33%. Families live there for generations but don't get citizenship.

[Rod_Cloutier]

Rereading this post I forgot to mention a third option to dealing with repression- that is to just live with it, comply, and submit.

Unfortunately, this third option has been the 'status quo' state of affairs for all of these countries for the last 30 years or so. So only now are people turning to 'fight or flight' reaction to escape hopeless situations.

Good things can come of migration. We've populated the whole Earth over the course of human history, something no other species has ever achieved. New lands to occupy mean new challenges, new hope and new resources. In our fully occupied world, where are people to move to?

As people in developed countries get tired of immigration pressures, they themselves will migrate to places or areas seen as 'greener pastures'. Watch as wealthy people all over the world flee immigration pressures in their own homelands, to emmigrate to the 1st world countries of America, Canada, Australia as so forth. The places they leave behind become overwhemed with immigrants moving in from even more desperate places.

New people with wealth moving in can create new economic bubbles, as they spend their cash to get established- potentially even creating a new housing boom in North America -down the road a bit.

[Sixstrings]

I saw this story today about one million people fleeing the Ivory Coast:

I scanned an article on that.. something about France pressing for sanctions. Maybe we should launch a billion dollars worth of missiles, that'll help.

[oddone]

This conflict /civil war is not etnic, it's religious.

The party winning the elections are muslims, and the losers, and sitting government, are christian. Knowing fine well they'll probably soon be victims of "cleansing" their leader decided to cling on to power, and start the fight for control from this position. So the muslims become victims instead. As any other country in the world, they have reached their critical carrying capacity, and resource wars will follow. In these backward societies the resource conflicts hit first, and any excuse is good enough to kill your fellow citizens. In Rwanda it was tribes, same as Zimbabwe and Libya.
In Ivory Coast it is religion.

[Pretorian]

I saw this story today about one million people fleeing the Ivory Coast:

Ivory coast had more immigrants than any other Negroid country, attracted by all that chocolate. Obviously as soon as sweet sausage dries up, they leave. So?

[DomusAlbion]

For a glimpse of one possible future for Europe read "Le Camp des saints" by Jean Raspail.

[americandream]

I saw this story today about one million people fleeing the Ivory Coast:

Ivory coast had more immigrants than any other Negroid country, attracted by all that chocolate. Obviously as soon as sweet sausage dries up, they leave. So?

Oh well, when you croak it (as we all do), Negroids will be consigned to the black void of non-sentience and you will forever be in peace.

[Arthur75]

dupe

[Arthur75]

This conflict /civil war is not etnic, it's religious.

No it's not, even if it plays a part, Africa is really the most complicated continent on the planet, just check the number of languages in a country like Cameroon for instance, and you have the ethnic/culture group layer which is still there, and then the more or less artificial nation states layer (which frontiers even if artificial are even more sacred than anywhere else, because everybody knows that if you start touching that, it's a complete mess all over).

[Loki]

Not to mention the consequenses to the countries facing mass immigration! What happens when its not just one million moving, but 10 million or 100 million?

The US has already experienced this. Prior to the recession we were seeing roughly 2 million people migrating here every year, half legally, half illegally. We currently have 12+ million illegal aliens, primarily from Mexico and other Central American countries. A comparable number of legal immigrants have arrived in the last decade or so from the same region. Roughly 10% of Mexico's citizens have emigrated here, legally or otherwise.

This massive, thoroughly unsustainable migration flow will only increase as climate change and peak oil accelerate. Unfortunately our political and economic elite refuse to address the problem. Their "solutions" (amnesty for illegals) will only make things worse. The best thing to happen on the illegal immigration front was the Great Recession---roughly a million illegals self-deported when they couldn't find a job.

[DomusAlbion]

Yes, the recession has been hard on Mexican immigrants, and ...

MEXICO IS ANGRY!

The State of Sonora is angry at the influx of Mexicans into Mexico. Nine state legislators from the Mexican State of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona's new employer crackdown on illegal’s from Mexico. It seems that many Mexican illegal’s are returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked off.

A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to state that Arizona's new Employer Sanctions Law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference, the legislators said that Sonora, - Arizona's southern neighbor - made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools that it will face as Mexican workers return to their hometowns from the USA without jobs or money.

The Arizona law, which took effect Jan. 1, punishes Arizona employers who knowingly hire individuals without valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension of, or loss of, their business license.

The Mexican legislators are angry because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a burden on THEIR state government. 'How can Arizona pass a law like this?' asked Mexican Rep Leticia Amparano-Gamez, who represents Nogales. 'There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona ,' she said, speaking in Spanish. 'Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and who were sending money to their families return to their home-towns in Sonora without jobs,' she said. 'We are one family, socially and economically,' she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona.

[Loki]

Yes, the recession has been hard on Mexican immigrants, and ...

MEXICO IS ANGRY!

The Mexican government is clearly hostile to Americans, even when the Mexican president comes to DC looking for handouts he can't help bitching and moaning about how evil we are.

Unfortunately soon we'll be looking at the last decade or two of massive overimmigration as the good ol' days. Mexico is clearly a failed state, and they will continue circling the drain as their oil fields decline and climate change ruins their agriculture. Mexicans will respond to this (are responding to this?) by moving to el Norte en masse.

James Lovelock foresees huge movements of people in response to climate change, thoroughly unprecedented in human history. Other climate change prognosticators agree that there will be a mass movement of people from south to north (in the northern hemisphere). This will create political chaos that makes the current illegal alien problem look like peanuts.

[Pretorian]

Don't forget that you'll be doing a looong time if found to be illegal in Mexico.

[kam3Oen]

For a glimpse of one possible future for Europe read "Le Camp des saints" by Jean Raspail.

Yah, I've read that book, and it pretty much sums up what's going on the most of the western world about now. Rich white nations letting in african tribesmen by the millions, I'm sure that'll end well, and not in "rivers of blood".
Notice the rich asian nations aren't letting anyone in, they aren't playing our silly game.

[Pretorian]

For a glimpse of one possible future for Europe read "Le Camp des saints" by Jean Raspail.

Yah, I've read that book, and it pretty much sums up what's going on the most of the western world about now. Rich white nations letting in african tribesmen by the millions, I'm sure that'll end well, and not in "rivers of blood".
Notice the rich asian nations aren't letting anyone in, they aren't playing our silly game.

You think poor asian nations let somebody in? Ha!
Anyway, only your tribesmen are pushing whites to let in millions of africans and whomever else. Your "never again" hope will turn itself in "over, over and over again".