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Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 12:18:04

General Electric, the nation’s largest corporation, had a very good year in 2010.

The company reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, and said $5.1 billion of the total came from its operations in the United States.

Its American tax bill? None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion.

That may be hard to fathom for the millions of American business owners and households now preparing their own returns, but low taxes are nothing new for G.E. The company has been cutting the percentage of its American profits paid to the Internal Revenue Service for years, resulting in a far lower rate than at most multinational companies.

Its extraordinary success is based on an aggressive strategy that mixes fierce lobbying for tax breaks and innovative accounting that enables it to concentrate its profits offshore. G.E.’s giant tax department, led by a bow-tied former Treasury official named John Samuels, is often referred to as the world’s best tax law firm. Indeed, the company’s slogan “Imagination at Work” fits this department well. The team includes former officials not just from the Treasury, but also from the I.R.S. and virtually all the tax-writing committees in Congress.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=1&hp


$14 billion in profits. Zero taxes paid. Worse, it sounds like they actually got $3.2 billion in "tax benefit." That means other people who do pay taxes gave GE a big chunk of money even though GE paid no federal income tax at all.

And that last paragraph.. man, that's everything wrong with our country right there. An army of former treasury and IRS officials, an army of lawyers to lobby for loopholes in Congress, and of course the "creative accounting."

Sickening. But whatever Democrats, go ahead and cut Granny off her home heating assistance.

The White House response:

White House defends embrace of G.E. CEO despite report company didn't owe taxes in 2010

At his press briefing Friday afternoon, White House press secretary Jay Carney was asked to square Mr. Obama's call for corporate tax reform with his embrace of Immelt. Asked if the story bothered the president, Carney responded that "he is bothered by what I think you're getting at, which is that Americans, I'm sure, who read that story or heard about it are wondering, you know -- you know, how this could be."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20047212-503544.html


Is that guy trying to sound stupid? He's basically saying the president is more worried about what people THINK of this than the actual fact of GE not paying any taxes.
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 12:31:21

But they create all those jobs........... :-D

Cut off entitlements, we need austerity measures. :twisted:
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 14:14:46

Since over half of GE's revenue is derived from financial services, it is arguably a financial company with a manufacturing arm. It is also one of the largest lenders in countries other than the United States, such as Japan.
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Lore » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 14:46:18

They are not the only ones, either did Exxon Mobile or Bank of America. Corporate American crying over the excessive tax rate is just a head fake to continue the transfer of wealth from the middle class to the well-to-do.
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Cog » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 17:37:19

Is what GE doing legal and in accordance with the tax code? If so, what are you bitching about?
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 17:42:50

It rigged, that's why. Those with the Gold, make the Rules. :lol:
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Cog » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 17:44:23

vision-master wrote:It rigged, that's why. Those with the Gold, make the Rules. :lol:


You have a vote unless you are a felon or a kid living in your mom's basement. Go change the rules if you don't like them.
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 18:09:31

Cog wrote:
vision-master wrote:It rigged, that's why. Those with the Gold, make the Rules. :lol:


You have a vote unless you are a felon or a kid living in your mom's basement. Go change the rules if you don't like them.


Well I voted for Obama, he said he was going to "close the loopholes" or some crap like that. Heck, he's STILL SAYING THAT even while defending GE. :roll:

So yeah, I'll keep voting my conscience which means Ralph Nader next time -- so that's an even more useless vote in this non-parliamentary system of ours.

Bottom line.. there are rules for the oligarchs, and then there are rules for the rest of us. I realize that Cog. It's still my right to bitch about it.

EDIT: let's get this back on topic.. we're involved in two hostile occupations, we just launched a Libyan campaign, and we're spending $1.2 trillion per year for our military. Meanwhile the deficit is massive and we're printing money to cover the bills. In view of the serious of our fiscal situation, don't you think GE really ought to pay at least a little tax?
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 18:29:16

Yeah, I voted for Obama too. You know the guy that wuz gonna save mainstreet, not wallstreet. :lol:

BUT, thank goodness Emmer wuz NOT voted in Gov for our State. I feel my vote counted this time as Dayton defeated Emmer by something like only 9,000 votes. :)
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 18:58:13

Cog wrote:
vision-master wrote:It rigged, that's why. Those with the Gold, make the Rules. :lol:


You have a vote unless you are a felon or a kid living in your mom's basement. Go change the rules if you don't like them.


You can't be that stupid, can you? Do you have dyslexia or something? How can he change the rules if he doesn't have gold?
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 19:21:44

Lore wrote:Corporate American crying over the excessive tax rate is just a head fake to continue the transfer of wealth from the middle class to the well-to-do.


Corporate America can't do it without corrupt politicians being on their side.

Thats why its shameful for Obama to be in bed with GE when GE is the posterchild for big corporations paying no tax. 8)
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Lore » Sat 26 Mar 2011, 20:53:31

Plantagenet wrote:
Lore wrote:Corporate American crying over the excessive tax rate is just a head fake to continue the transfer of wealth from the middle class to the well-to-do.


Corporate America can't do it without corrupt politicians being on their side.

Thats why its shameful for Obama to be in bed with GE when GE is the posterchild for big corporations paying no tax. 8)


Actually Exxon Mobile is, dating back much farther.
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 27 Mar 2011, 09:52:09

The money is taxed when it is distributed as salary,bonuses,dividends,etc. Not sure why you want the warmongers to have more money anyway.
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby nobodypanic » Sun 27 Mar 2011, 10:24:05

mattduke wrote:The money is taxed when it is distributed as salary,bonuses,dividends,etc. Not sure why you want the warmongers to have more money anyway.

well... GE (and their ilk) is/are the warmongers. not to mention they're the real power behind govt. anyway.

but the idea here should be to make obvious the LIE that we are broke and cannot afford to provide services such as SS, etc. for our citizens. what we can no longer afford is to let the GEs of the nation get away without paying taxes; what we can't afford are summer homes in the hamptons, private jets, bathroom faucets made of gold, million dollar bonuses and sick levels of wealth inequality.

americans need to throw out all the stooges that shill for big money and empower a government that works for the people. yeah, i know, that's complete fantasy at the moment.
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Sun 27 Mar 2011, 10:53:46

Cog wrote:Is what GE doing legal and in accordance with the tax code? If so, what are you bitching about?


People bitching about the problem is the least of GE and everyone else's worries. It's when the bitching stops and the violence starts that should be more concerning. Yeah, I know. Nothing will happen. Nothing's happened in the past so it certainly won't happen in the future.

You should be on your knee's thanking God people are -ONLY- bitching boy.
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 27 Mar 2011, 11:12:17

2012, another year of no COLA for seniors.

Most working ppl will NOT get any raises either.

All the while wallstreet is raking in billions. :|

Large corporations have reached record profits........
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Lore » Sun 27 Mar 2011, 12:04:01

The respondents were presented with unlabeled pie charts representing the wealth distributions of the U.S., where the richest 20 percent controlled about 84 percent of wealth, and Sweden, where the top 20 percent only controlled 36 percent of wealth. Without knowing which country they were picking, 92 percent of respondents said they’d rather live in a country with Sweden’s wealth distribution.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/2 ... 36132.html


Unfortunately it's very difficult to immigrate to Sweden.
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 27 Mar 2011, 12:32:41

Lore wrote:
The respondents were presented with unlabeled pie charts representing the wealth distributions of the U.S., where the richest 20 percent controlled about 84 percent of wealth, and Sweden, where the top 20 percent only controlled 36 percent of wealth. Without knowing which country they were picking, 92 percent of respondents said they’d rather live in a country with Sweden’s wealth distribution.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/2 ... 36132.html


Unfortunately it's very difficult to immigrate to Sweden.


Perhaps that's why it is so good?
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby nobodypanic » Sun 27 Mar 2011, 12:43:00

Lore wrote:
The respondents were presented with unlabeled pie charts representing the wealth distributions of the U.S., where the richest 20 percent controlled about 84 percent of wealth, and Sweden, where the top 20 percent only controlled 36 percent of wealth. Without knowing which country they were picking, 92 percent of respondents said they’d rather live in a country with Sweden’s wealth distribution.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/2 ... 36132.html


Unfortunately it's very difficult to immigrate to Sweden.

if danton can't go to the mountain, then the mountain should come to danton. :P
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Re: Shameful: GE profits $14 billion pays $0 income tax

Unread postby americandream » Sun 27 Mar 2011, 16:56:52

Plantagenet wrote:
Lore wrote:Corporate American crying over the excessive tax rate is just a head fake to continue the transfer of wealth from the middle class to the well-to-do.


Corporate America can't do it without corrupt politicians being on their side.

Thats why its shameful for Obama to be in bed with GE when GE is the posterchild for big corporations paying no tax. 8)


It's not just corporations that tax mitigate/tax avoid/tax evade (take your pick). Most high and middle net worth individuals do so as well.
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