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Collapse by 2025. The causes.

Unread postby scas » Fri 01 Apr 2011, 18:43:02

I posted this on another forums where people don't talk about collapse....feel free to add your own specifics!

Through means of…

Abrupt Climate Change: In the past five decades, Earth has warmed approximately 0.8 degrees Celsius. The Arctic air and ocean have warmed approximately twice as much, and sufficient airborne carbon and positive feedbacks are now in effect to drive Earth towards a hothouse state approximately 6-9 degrees Celcius over the 21st century. The equatorial regions, and those places already environmentally degraded or experiencing drought, will be most affected:

Positive Feedbacks occurring

• Northerly expansion and greening of the boreal forest.
• Albedo change of sea ice to water, and snow to dirt.
• Periodic emission of carbon from forests, rather than absorption.
• Emission of methane from tundra permafrost and lakebeds.
• Decreasing dissolved carbon capacity of warming oceans.
• Reduction of 40% of marine algae since 1950. (less carbon sequestration)
• Increasing wildfires
• Increased atmospheric water vapour capacity. (H2O is a greenhouse gas.)
• Methane emissions from the Arctic Siberian Sea.

The sea floor of the shallow (50m) Siberian Sea is now disintegrated, and a presentation to the U.S. Deparment Of Energy on December 2010 by Natalia Shakhova and Igor Semiletov of Alaska University states that:

Bad news: directly observed fluxes exceed estimated by up 3 orders of magnitude. Interpretation of acoustical data recorded with deployed multibeam sonar allowed moderate quantification of bottom fluxes as high as 44 g/m2/d (Leifer et al., in preparation). Prorating these numbers to the areas of hot spots (210×103 km2) adds 3.5Gt to annual methane release from the East Siberian Arctic Shelf. This is enough to trigger abrupt climate change (Archer, 2005).


Shakhova’s PDF: http://symposium.serdp-estcp.org/content/download/8914/107496/version/1/file/1A_Shakhova_Final.pdf

Host of presentations and abstract: http://symposium.serdp-estcp.org/Technical-Sessions/1A

Flows exceeded their estimates by up to three magnitudes (1000 times). It could take up to a decade for the gases to fully diffuse in the atmosphere, and as methane emits from the mudflat, deeper clathrates will be insulted from the warming environment. Curt Stager has suggested that the clathrate gun hypothesis may be more like a squirt gun and only periodically burp carbon. None-the-less, increasing emissions from the Siberian Ocean could increase global warming by one degree or more this decade. Or less. Who really knows until it's occurred? Two degrees anomaly has been described as civilizations “safe” limit.

Alvia Gaskill, president of Environmental Reference Materials Inc, a geoengineering research firm (I believe..) thinks such a scenario is enough to trigger runaway climate change. Again, it's probably a long term process with periodic spikes as warming undersea mud flats disintegrate due to landslides or seismic activity.

Returning to the 4 GtC release scenario, assume such a release occurs over a one-year period sometime in the next 50 years as result of slope failure. According to the Report of the Methane Hydrate Advisory Committee, “Catastrophic slope failure appears to be necessary to release a sufficiently large quantity of methane rapidly enough to be transported to the atmosphere without significant oxidation or dissolution. In this event, methane will enter the atmosphere as methane gas. It will have a residence time of several decades and a global warming potential of 62 times that of carbon dioxide over a 20-year period.This would be the equivalent of 248 GtC as carbon dioxide or 31 times the annual man-made GHG emissions of today. Put another way, this would have the impact of nearly 30 years worth of GHG warming all at once. The result would almost certainly be a rapid rise in the average air temperature, perhaps as much as 3°F immediately. This might be tolerable if that’s as far as things go. But, just like 15,000 years ago, if the feedback mechanisms kick in, we can expect rapid melting of Greenland and Antarctic ice and an overall temperature increase of 30°F.


http://www.global-warming-geo-engineering.org/DOE-Meeting/Catastrophic-Methane-Hydrate-Release/ag13.html

Accidental Geoengineering / Solar Radiation Management: In his 2008 presentation to the American Geophysical Union, James Hansen showed that aerosols are blocking one or two watts per square metre. Glory, an instrument capable of corroborating such numbers was launched in February 2011, but the launch vehicle failed to detach. Nonetheless, if we clean up our pollution, global warming will speed up, and it is probable that there is enough inertia just from the carbon already in the air to drive warming further. The fellows at Real Climate think if we stop polluting, Earth may warm by 0.5 to 2 degrees Celsius over a few months. Maybe the sulphuric acid from China’s coal plants will drift into the high stratosphere and cause cooling? And who really thinks we’re going to stop burning coal and polluting?

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Image above from: PDF http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/AGUBjerknes_20081217.pdf

Liquid Fuels Entering Terminal Decline:

According to the Joint Operation Environment 2010: “By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day”
Joint Operating Environment 2010: PDF http://www.peakoil.net/files/JOE2010.pdf

Hirsch Report contracted for the US DOE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_report <- contains various dates.
PDF: http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/others/pdf/oil_peaking_netl.pdf

According to a German report in 2010 by the Bundeswehr Transformation Center, there is "some probability that peak oil will occur around the year 2010 and that the impact on security is expected to be felt 15 to 30 years later."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,715138,00.html

Wikileaks released cable documents in January 2011. The cables urge Washington to
take seriously a warning from a senior Saudi government oil executive that the
kingdom’s crude oil reserves may have been overstated by as much as 300 billion
barrels — nearly 40% According to the cables, which date between 2007-09,
Husseini said Saudi Arabia might reach an output of 12 million barrels a day in 10
years but before then — possibly as early as 2012 — global oil production would
have hit its highest point. Sadad al-Husseini is a geologist and the former head of
exploration at the Saudi oil monopoly Aramco.

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General Water and Arable Land Shortage: In a world of seven billion, one in six goes hungry. Industrial agriculture relies heavily on oil based inputs, fertilizers, pesticides, and irrigation. Production and distribution utilize intensive transportation networks. Your average food item travels 1500 miles, and requires 10 calories of oil energy for each calorie of food energy (not including energy for cooking.) Almost all arable land is already occupied and there is only marginal lands left. The pace and types of farming worldwide is unsustainable and ultimately results in field erosion and salinization. As fertilizer, and water shortages occur, genetic engineering and locally grown food will need to fill the gap. According to the UNU’s Ghana based institute, if present soil erosion practices continue, by 2025 Africa will only be able to feed 25% of its population.

Disappearing glaciers and melted snowpack may initially bring increased water flows, but eventually will no longer provide healthy summer flows. Groundwater is becoming depleted in India, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, the USA, and more. Lakes are evaporating and rivers are drying. Of course, this is simply a shuffling of rain patterns. Some parts will become wetter, others drier. Curt Stager believe climate change will simply cause your present region’s weather anomaly (drought/rain) to increase. The following image is a scenario from the National Centre for Atmospheric Research. Some climate scientists argue that drought and rainfall models can give almost any result.

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And how do population demographics match up to oil, water, and land scarcity?

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If Saudi Arabia and most of OPEC overestimate their reserves, does that mean Iraq has the world’s largest oil supplies?

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Fictional Scenario: Beginning in 2013, Saudia Arabia enters steep oil depletion. Their water is depleting, their wheat farms failed, and their enormous youth bulge restive The world ramps up other sources but a shallow 2% per year decline still occurs. All the world’s oil dependent economies enter a depression and economic stagflation occurs. With fossil fuels becoming increasingly expensive, food prices soar. Heat waves among the industrial exporters wipe out a majority of their crop, and they ban exports. Hunger and famine hits the heavily populated equatorial regions from Morocco to India and China. Mexicans desperation to flee the heat, poverty and famine drive them into Texas where a border war now appears to inflate to something resembling genocide. By 2020, Boeing and Airbus team up to cool the atmosphere, and get awarded a 50 year contract to spray aluminum oxides and sulphuric acid into the high stratosphere over the Arctic. It works, and temperature and rainfalls patterns return to normal over a few years. The ocean is still acidifying, however. The shock of it all brings about a new green revolution in the industrialized world, however overpopulated countries with degraded environments become locked in permanent struggle and wars of attrition – Haiti, Rwanda, Somalia, Sudan, and more. Science delivers once more with fusion and famine foods. Geoengineering remains a permanent fixture of modern life.

How will we survive/adapt?

•Localize the food system and begin building up yard soils through composting.
•Convert local areas to food gardens; buy local.
•Conserve and capture rainwater at home.
•Conserve fuels and electricity.
•Cycle or walk. Electric road bicycles can get you around faster than a bus.
•Lobby your city to recycle all waste water.
•Vote for clean renewable power
•Increase the quality and performance of public transport.
•Increase funding in fourth generation nuclear power.
•Increase speed and funding of the International Experimental Thermonuclear Reactor.
•Increase funding of genetically engineered plants and microbes.
•Increase research in algal fuels.
•Improve humanitarian and disaster response.
•Increase military presence in Middle Eastern regions.
•Improve Middle Eastern oil pipeline and refinery protection.
•Support and fund geoengineering.
See: Asilomar Conference 2010 or Royal Society: Geoengineering The Climate
•Write your favourite politician.
•+ whatever personally suits you.
•Have hope (unless you live in Africa, Middle East, or Bangladesh; in that case,
buy weapons)
•Move to Canada.
•Or do nothing because its April Fools Day!!
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Re: Collapse by 2025. The causes.

Unread postby JohnRM » Sun 10 Apr 2011, 19:19:06

Straw #1: Population
The number of people on this planet has placed a burden on the environment and resource demand for quite a number of years now, but the reality is that there are more than a billion people on the verge of entering the middle class, demanding more energy and general resources than ever before. These people don't have yet to be born. They already exist and no amount of population control short of mass murder will stop them from demanding a higher standard of living. Add to it, the continued population explosion (more than 80 million per year) and it is a true crisis already.

Think about that. We add one Germany to the planet, every year.



Straw #2: Energy & General Resource Shortages
Despite raising hundreds of millions of people out of poverty into the middle class, there is already a shortage of a myriad of resources for maintaining even the status quo. There is just nowhere else to look, really, for the resources to support the standard of living that people are demanding. Everything is getting more expensive and demand destruction through recessive periods and other means has not balanced out the inequity of supply.



Straw #3: Flawed Economic System
Our economic system is fatally flawed in several different ways. The most apparent of these is the infinite growth paradigm that the modern economy is based on. A credit/debt-based economy has to continue growing in order to remain stable. When most people are taking out loans to support their lifestyle, they are betting on future growth to repay those loans, period. If the economy stops growing - and even just stagnates* - then defaults are inevitable. The resulting domino effect will wreak havoc until growth continues. If it never continues, then an economy based on credit/debt can no longer exist. That is what nearly occurred in 2008-09. Credit was nearly impossible to obtain, even by those with the highest ratings. It nearly sacked the entire global economy. It is obvious that growth cannot continue forever. Therefor, our economic system cannot continue forever. Whether it is changed willingly or by force of nature, is another matter.

*The Japanese economy is said to be in recession when growth declines to less than 3 percent annually. I am sure most of you have heard that before. It isn't just because it hurts their pride not to grow. It is because the Japanese are smart and they know that if economy does not growth enough, then those who leveraged themselves on future growth will not be able to repay loans, which is most people. Less than 3 percent growth actually damages the economy because decisions made today are based on an assumption that that growth has already occurred. It is taken for granted.



Conclusion
More people. More people demanding more stuff. Less stuff to go around. A flawed economic system that to expects there to always be more stuff to go around. How does that not lead to a huge crash? Like I said, our economic system is built in such a way as to require continued growth. When it becomes impossible to grow, everything will shatter. I hear people claim that the descent from peak oil/energy will be a stepped process, but I don't agree. Peak energy means peak economy. The day that energy peaks (and energy per capita already has) is the day that it is all over. Our economic system will collapse permanently. That doesn't mean we can't choose a different system, but the world will never be the same.
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Re: Collapse by 2025. The causes.

Unread postby cipi604 » Sun 10 Apr 2011, 19:57:40

2025 is an optimist number.
We have a complete financial ending-story happening right now, slow motion train wreck, unstoppable. When the financial system goes bust, industry of agriculture goes bust , global population may fall to 60% of today numbers in less than 3-6 months , meanwhile the 'just-in-time' transport system goes bust = chess-mate , leading to complex systems blowing apart in a very fast anarchical "survive of the fittest" new reality.
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Re: Collapse by 2025. The causes.

Unread postby cipi604 » Sun 10 Apr 2011, 19:59:51

Or Focardi and Rossi LENR reactor works and we conquer space.
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Re: Collapse by 2025. The causes.

Unread postby cipi604 » Sun 10 Apr 2011, 20:22:11

pstarr wrote:You two Malthusians seem to have it nailed. Now if you can just find a sympathetic yet powerful Alien Master to threaten us with destruction in lieu of change? Klaatu comes to mind, specifically the Keanu Reeves version.

Change may not be optional, but imposed very fast by the new reality that we live in. We already have ~1 billion people close to dieing of hunger, today! not in the future.
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Re: Collapse by 2025. The causes.

Unread postby JohnRM » Sun 10 Apr 2011, 20:57:34

cipi604 wrote:2025 is an optimist number.
We have a complete financial ending-story happening right now, slow motion train wreck, unstoppable. When the financial system goes bust, industry of agriculture goes bust , global population may fall to 60% of today numbers in less than 3-6 months , meanwhile the 'just-in-time' transport system goes bust = chess-mate , leading to complex systems blowing apart in a very fast anarchical "survive of the fittest" new reality.
Ignorance is bliss.


This, I can agree with, mostly. The "end" is going to arrive sooner than 2025. It started, for all intents and purposes, back in 2003, when the United States decided to invade Iraq. In my mind, this was the first real grab for resources and domination of the world's oil region, in recognition of the fact that there was/is a dwindling supply remaining. Prices had, at that time, increased by about 60 percent, since the late 1990s, and were only going up (and still have since then).

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That was the first big hit to the US economy. The next came in 2005 with the several hurricanes, including Katrina, that devastated the Gulf Coast region, including the bulk of US oil infrastructure. The area still has not recovered from that summer and probably never will, fully.

Then, in July 2008, a world economy already under stress is crippled by $147 oil. The high prices push a financial sector, teetering on the brink, right over the edge and into the abyss. Only because so many governments threw the taxpayers on the sword, did it not lead to a complete meltdown of the global economy, but the reality is that we only delayed the inevitable.

Today, the global economy is still incredibly stressed, oil is up to $113 per barrel, Libya is in civil war, and Japan has been crippled by an Earthquake/Tsunami. The US housing market is right back to the bottom it saw in 2009 and looks to only get worse, because the fact is that the bubble still has more deflating to do. I don't think we need any more downward pressure for a double-dip, but another devastating hurricane season, another timely disaster, more civil strife in an oil-exporting country, will simply send the economy spiraling out of control.

Greece collapsed several years ago. Portugal is on the verge of bankruptcy. Spain is not too far behind. The cracks are there. The global economy framework is starting to disintegrate. If Germany and the other relatively healthy EU nations decide not to bail out another weak partner, especially Spain, who is probably going to need 500 billion, then the European Union is over with.

This is going to be the reality for the next decade or more. Run-ups in petroleum prices, demand destruction through recession, partial recovery, run-ups in petroleum prices, more demand destruction/recession, and partial recovery. Rinse and repeat.

Economic growth, as we know it, is over. Welcome to the new world disorder.
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