[mattduke]

Yesterday, multitudes took to the streets in more than 40 Mexican cities - and in protests by Mexicans and their friends at consulates and embassies in Europe, North America and South America - to demand an end to the violence wrought by the US-imposed "war on drugs."

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefie ... oks-mexico

[mos6507]

Characterizing the US as being the root cause of the violence is just as wrong-headed as absolving the US of their role in the drug supply and demand chain.

It's the drug dealers who are killing people in the border region and they deserve to be held accountable for their murders regardless of whether drugs are legal or not.

[Newfie]

Reality has little to do with peoples opinions Mos.

Their perception is that the US is the problem, so for them that is reality.

Sucks but true.

[mattduke]

Characterizing the US as being the root cause of the violence is just as wrong-headed as absolving the US of their role in the drug supply and demand chain.

It's the drug dealers who are killing people in the border region and they deserve to be held accountable for their murders regardless of whether drugs are legal or not.

Everybody knows prohibition creates Al Capones.

[careinke]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Mexico actually legalized drugs. I would guess things would dramatically improve in Mexico and become much more violent in the US.

[Oakley]

Characterizing the US as being the root cause of the violence is just as wrong-headed as absolving the US of their role in the drug supply and demand chain.

It's the drug dealers who are killing people in the border region and they deserve to be held accountable for their murders regardless of whether drugs are legal or not.

Everybody knows prohibition creates Al Capones.

Everybody???

Perhaps the Mexican demonstrators realize this, but the average American is too unaware.

When something is popular like booze, drugs, prostitution, or gambling, if you make these illegal an organization arises to meet the need. And then government officials, who also find these "vices" popular are more than willing to take bribes to look the other way. It is religious insanity at the base of these prohibitions, but when politicians and bureaucrats realize the benefit to themselves in pretending to enforce the prohibitions, it become very difficult to get back to a sane society that does not attempt to make outlaws of those who want enjoyment and entertainment.

Look at all the "law enforcement" bureaucrats that would be out of jobs. They need a docile, gullible, dumbed down, indoctrinated population to demand they have work.

Those who blame the suppliers and the users miss the point entirely. The point of criminalization is to benefit bureaucrats and politicians, and obviously they have plenty of idiots to whom they pander.

[Novus]

Everybody knows prohibition creates Al Capones.

Everybody???

Perhaps the Mexican demonstrators realize this, but the average American is too unaware.

Well everyone who went to American high schools should know since it is in history books. Prohibition is one of the few government failures teachers are "Allowed" to talk about.

[mattduke]

Everybody knows prohibition creates Al Capones.

Everybody???

Perhaps the Mexican demonstrators realize this, but the average American is too unaware.

Well everyone who went to American high schools should know since it is in history books. Prohibition is one of the few government failures teachers are "Allowed" to talk about.

The leader

Patient and steady with all he must bear,

Ready to accept every challenge with care,

Easy in manner, yet solid as steel,

Strong in his faith, refreshingly real,

Isn't afraid to propose what is bold,

Doesn't conform to the usual mold,

Eyes that have foresight, for hindsight wont do

Never back down when he sees what is true

Tells it all straight, and means it all too

Bracing for war, but praying for peace

Using his power so evil will cease:

So much a leader and worthy of trust,

Here stands a man who will do what he must

This is what you get in government schools.

[mos6507]

Everybody knows prohibition creates Al Capones.

That doesn't change the fact that Al Capone was a criminal and worthy of derision and prosecution.

[mattduke]

Mos, leader of the temperance movement. At least they recognized a constitutional amendment was required. Mos prefers unlimited government power. But I don't think these nice ladies envisaged the Ronald Reagan war on some drugs, the DEA, or CIA cocaine trafficking.

[Oneaboveall]

Mos, leader of the temperance movement. At least they recognized a constitutional amendment was required. Mos prefers unlimited government power...[/b]

It should also be noted that temperance and prohibition are two different things. Temperance stressed getting people to make a choice not to drink. Prohibition was the government making drinking illegal. I wrote a paper on the Pennsylvania Prohibition Amendment of 1889 and was struck by how many Temperance leaders campaigned against a prohibition amendment. Many felt that it undermined their work by having the government legislate morality and that just telling someone that couldn't drink wasn't going to change a drinker's habits. It wasn't until later that the two terms became synonymous.

...But I don't think these nice ladies envisaged the Ronald Reagan war on some drugs, the DEA, or CIA cocaine trafficking.

Actually the Women's Christian Temperance Union still exists, even though it's not the force it once was, and considers illegal drug use one of it's issues.

EDIT: Ok. I just realised what I wrote above and meant to say that the WCTU consider illegal drug use an issue to confront.

[nobodypanic]

hell let's just legalize everything!

i mean i wouldn't want criminal organizations to form.

[careinke]

hell let's just legalize everything!

i mean i wouldn't want criminal organizations to form.

Works for me, but then I'm one of those evil Libertarians.

[Pretorian]

Characterizing the US as being the root cause of the violence is just as wrong-headed as absolving the US of their role in the drug supply and demand chain.

It's the drug dealers who are killing people in the border region and they deserve to be held accountable for their murders regardless of whether drugs are legal or not.

if drugs were legal in usa, this would not be happening

[nobodypanic]

hell let's just legalize everything!

i mean i wouldn't want criminal organizations to form.

Works for me, but then I'm one of those evil Libertarians.

so let's start a list:

child prostitution, unlimited emissions of heavy metals and toxins... etc.

still work for you?

[careinke]

so let's start a list: child prostitution, unlimited emissions of heavy metals and toxins... etc. still work for you?

OK
1. Drugs for adults - Yes
2. Prostitution between consenting adults - Yes
3. Child prostitution - No (children are not adults)
4. Unlimited emissions etc - No (should be sued in civil court for damages)
5. Gambling by adults - Yes

So have you figured out the difference yet? Pretty easy when you think about it. So ya, it still works for me.

[rangerone314]

Everybody knows prohibition creates Al Capones.

That doesn't change the fact that Al Capone was a criminal and worthy of derision and prosecution.

So what? Bush II and Bush III (Obama) are also, and have killed more people than Capone.

[Fishman]

Or
We can close the borders and let them rot in the hell of their own creation

[DomusAlbion]

Or
We can close the borders and let them rot in the hell of their own creation

Hold on Fishman. US citizens created the demand, those south of Texas just supply the product. It's the rot in the pampered, spoiled souls of the US that are to blame.

Use of hard drugs (cocaine, meth, and heroin) should carry a minimum sentence in a "re-education" work camp. Either that approach or make it all a legal, state run enterprise.

RE: the border. We should close the border for many reasons.

[davep]

Use of hard drugs (cocaine, meth, and heroin) should carry a minimum sentence in a "re-education" work camp. Either that approach or make it all a legal, state run enterprise.

And how many people will end up in these work camps? It would just create another financial burden on the state. I think the latter proposition is far better.