evilgenius wrote:What do you want instead of high gas prices? You know that if the stuff is running low in comparison to world demand we either pay more than the other guy or we don't get any.
evilgenius wrote:What do you want instead of high gas prices? You know that if the stuff is running low in comparison to world demand we either pay more than the other guy or we don't get any.
pstarr wrote:Ya' can't just invade Wall Street or a Corporate Headquarters, but we sure as shitt'n can always run down those damn Indians and Chinks. F3ck 'em. I want my oil.
Sixstrings wrote:Trust me you don't want the United States to really average out with the rest of the world -- we're talking Bangladesh, Mozambique, Ecuador, Nigeria.
diemos wrote:Carpet the desert with solar thermal.
Carpet the rooftops with pv.
Put up windmills.
Build nukes.
Change zoning and urban planning to create walkable communities.
Our current automobile centric fossil fuel based lifestyle is going to end. Period. No matter how generous or rapacious we are with the rest of the inhabitants of the planet. No matter how many predator drones we launch.
The only open question is what comes after. Mozambique is still avoidable.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:This article is silly fear mongering.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:I have no idea who is right. I believe that the collective wisdom of the world oil market (speculators included) is a better predictor, on average over time, than any of us.
pstarr wrote:I don't trust you because your understanding of human nature (your own needs) do not square with obvious political and wartime realities.
Not only is that guy not screwed up, but he has the only reasonable attitude really possible. I admire that guy. We should be more like him. USA CAN NOT COMPETE. We are pampered poodles living in luxurious kennels.
All of us from the most greedy to the greenest/grooviest environmentalists alike are damn too costly to support.
You don't really believe what I say is from weakness? Because I will kick your ass if you say yes.
Sixstrings wrote:Well fair enough. That's your opinion.. essentially it's peace through globalism, lowering our standard of living to raise up the rest of the world a wee bit in the hope that shared prosperity will ensure global peace.
diemos wrote:We've reached the point where consumption in the developing world can only increase by having consumption in the western world go down.
Sixstrings wrote: What does our president say? "Get used to it."
diemos wrote:but I'm hazy on what, exactly, you're advocating to prevent it from happening. All I hear is, "Whaaaaaaaa! I don't want to be poor! Somebody make the coming poverty not happen!".
Specifics please. Assume you are now god emperor of america. 300M people stand ready to do your bidding. What's the plan? How are you going to provide a North American standard of living for them in perpetuity.
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