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"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 15 Oct 2011, 06:01:36

CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, who has reported on this story from the beginning, said on "The Early Show" that the investigation into the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)'s so-called "Fast and Furious" operation branches out to a case involving grenades. Sources tell her a suspect was left to traffic and manufacture them for Mexican drug cartels.

Police say Jean Baptiste Kingery, a U.S. citizen, was a veritable grenade machine. He's accused of smuggling parts for as many as 2,000 grenades into Mexico for killer drug cartels -- sometimes under the direct watch of U.S. law enforcement.

Law enforcement sources say Kingery could have been prosecuted in the U.S. twice for violating export control laws, but that, each time, prosecutors in Arizona refused to make a case.

Grenades are weapons-of-choice for the cartels. An attack on Aug. 25 in a Monterrey, Mexico casino killed 53 people.

Attkisson added on "The Early Show" that, in August, Mexican authorities raided Kingery's stash house and factory, finding materials for 1,000 grenades. He was charged with trafficking and allegedly admitted not only to making grenades, but also to teaching cartels how to make them, as well as helping cartel members convert semi-automatic rifles to fully-automatic. As one source put it: There's no telling how much damage Kingery did in the year-and-a-half since he was first let go. The Justice Department inspector general is now investigating this, along with "Fast and Furious."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/14/earlyshow/main20120395.shtml


This is just bizarre. We allowed the automatic weapons and grenades to go to the drug cartels.. we declined to prosecute this US citizen we knew was making grenades and smuggling them.. and in the end it was Mexican police who finally arrested him.
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Re: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sat 15 Oct 2011, 09:11:42

I go back to my original premise. Either this plan was concocted by village idiots or a sinister plan was afoot.

This is why the first amendment is so terribly important. It alerts us to government misdeeds. Our only hope is that peak oil will drain the swamp. These agencies develop a culture and ethos all their own. They become detached from reality and that detachment results in activities such as this.
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Re: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

Unread postby Alan Cain » Sat 15 Oct 2011, 11:16:36

So what is it that turns what appear to be intelligent people, both left and right, into absolute fools as they become part of the upper levels of government? Is there a stupidity gas pervading Wa, DC? Looks like it.
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Re: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

Unread postby Fiddlerdave » Sat 15 Oct 2011, 16:29:28

It has been fascinating watching the Right change from absolutely opposing ANY gun control and espousing "gun don't kill people" rhetoric to NOW holding Obama guilty of "murder" for what some drug runners do.

These will be some excellent quotations when further control are proposed.
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Re: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 15 Oct 2011, 18:25:27

Fiddlerdave wrote:It has been fascinating watching the Right.... holding Obama guilty of "murder" for what some drug runners do..


So the Left is OK with Obama and Holder supplying the guns to the Mexican drug cartels that were used in multiple murders, including the murders of US agents?

And do you think its OK for the Obama administration to supply the Mexican drug mafia with hand grenades as well? :roll:
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Re: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 15 Oct 2011, 18:51:39

Fiddlerdave wrote:It has been fascinating watching the Right change from absolutely opposing ANY gun control and espousing "gun don't kill people" rhetoric to NOW holding Obama guilty of "murder" for what some drug runners do.

These will be some excellent quotations when further control are proposed.

Me likey!

If anything, Mexico doesn't have enough guns! It's only when each citizen has a minigun that the drug smugglers won't have any advantage.
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Re: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sun 16 Oct 2011, 07:39:24

Preston. I agree with you. If the average citizen in Mexico was armed, the cartels would have less running room.

If we can’t agree that there is something inherently wrong with selling guns to known criminals then we cannot agree.

What I find abhorrent is the notion held by the statist that it is perfectly ok to disarm the American people in order to cement their control over us but it is fine and dandy to arm the Mexicans in an effort to destabilize their government.
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