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The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby bochen280 » Sat 21 Jan 2012, 14:39:46

As we all know, two days ago MegaUpload was canned by the US DOJ, this is a surprising coincidence, that it comes the day after the SOPA/PIPA/NDAA blackouts and protests... To put things into context, please reference my other post here: sustainable-reading-when-tshtf-and-teotwawki-t63993.html and the macro implications of TPTB's planned controlled demolition of the world population...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Wvn-9BXVc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Wvn-9BXVc

Now that MegaUpload got canned, the question is WHO is NEXT? and WHAT is NEXT? I'm sure I can think up of a list... it won't be long before the average joe tries to go to a porn website and instead has to wank off to a DOJ banner, or a young mother wants to look up information on abortion and instead stares at a DOJ takedown notice. This is an unprecedented slippery slope, and given the context of post peak oil collapse, it can only go in one direction: full blown censorship. Pretty soon half the sites on the internet will be blocked by the DOJ. A year from now (if we still exists post Dec 21 2012) we will be thinking back FONDLY about the days when we didn't have to worry about or wonder whether or not the site that we are attempting to visit has already been censored, seized and shutdown by the US government. The chilling effects alone from this MegaUpload seizure will compel service providers, content providers and platforms to carry the burden of self-censorship and total acquiescence to all government demands.

But before that, I remember just a few years ago back in 2009 the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was bashing the Chinese on censorship and Internet freedoms... oh the irony of double-talk and the supreme hypocrisy of it all. When China blocks a site it only affects Chinese citizens, when the US decides to target a site they shut it down for good, extradite the owners, and block it GLOBALLY. It is a US power-grab for control of the Internet and a unilateral "show of force". In some cases the US FBI/DOJ has shutdown sites that were ruled perfectly legal by the courts of that country, and US has been known to extradite citizens of other nations for merely LINKING to an alleged infringing material.

Take a good look, you'll be seeing and running into a lot more of this pretty soon!
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ICE/DHS/DOJ has been blocking domains and putting up those banners since early 2010. Back then no one hardly knew about this. They only went after the small timers or nuance no-name offenders. Most Americans were still asleep and unaware that US was about to censor internet worse than Chinese government could ever dream about. People still envisioned the idea of an open internet in the US, unfettered and completely uncensored... Now all this is changing very quickly. VERY quickly.

MegaUpload is the first mainstream established website to be "disappeared" by this DNS blocking tactic. It accounted for a staggering 4% of total internet traffic, it was affiliated with popular US and global celebrities.. Millions of users had their personal files, work files, school projects hosted or stored on MegaUpload. In one fell swoop it was all gone, the stroke of anti-piracy pays no regard to the innocent people that it harms. The victims of this are not only US citizens but people of the entire WORLD. Will RapidShare, 4shared, Warez-bb, Piratebay etc be next? It is very possible, and seems inevitable. Piratebay, Warez-bb, abovetopsecret, Cryptome, the US owns .com/.org/.net TLD, its all going to get shutdown one by one. Just a matter of time.

Now it is "piracy", next it could be political dissent. What about sites that protest the government, or sites that provide alternative news or independent thinking? I suppose soon "conspiracy theories" will become outlawed, justified by the fact that they influence public thinking, and a threat to national security, with potential to stir up protests or riots... soon we will wake up one day and see 911truth, infowars, peakoil, naturalnews, and similar sites all shutdown... to be replaced by a "this domain has been seized" banner by the DOJ.

MegaUpload was just the tip of the iceberg and only the beginning. This is the beginning of the end of the free and open Internet as we knew it to be. This is all about US flexing its muscles and doing hostile takeover of TLD (top level domains) in preparation for Internet and cyber infrastructure warfare with China and Russia. "Piracy", and even "censorship" are side issues. The real issue at heart is the US power-grab of the Internet, just like the US petrodollar hegemony and American invasion and forced takeover of Middle East for oil under the guise of "fighting terrorism".. You wake up one morning and THIS site has been blocked and thousands of independent thinking websites all blocked... in the name of "national security" and its ever expanding broad umbrella definitions. First is it is "piracy", then it becomes anything that protests government, then it becomes full blown censorship of freedom of speech. They do this in stages, just like x-ray machines were first used only at airports and it was "optional"... now it is becoming mandatory and soon will be deployed at train stations, football games, amazement parks, etc.

If the US is allowed to unilaterally block and shutdown any website is wishes then other superpowers and other nations will follow the same steps... How would America like it if China shutdown Twitter because Twitter helped anti-Chinese protests and stir up dissent (which is illegal by Chinese laws)... Or if the European Unions block or censor or shutdown access to many of the Silicon Valley and US social and financial sites to retaliate for US agenda of shutting down whatever sites they so pleased, even if it was outside of their jurisdiction? This will inevitably result in cyber protectionism, an escalating internet war, and once the internet become politicized it will be fragmented, disjointed, there will no longer be a single system or platform. This will be the death of the internet as we know it to be.

The shutting down of MegaUpload is symbolic of the beginning of the end of the Internet. This is all about INFORMATION WARFARE, Propaganda, and the coming Internet 9/11 false flag operation, blaming it on Iran hackers or Chinese gov, so to start WWIII (cyber and /or outer space and/or real physical)

The precedent has been set. There is no turning back now.
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby dissident » Sat 21 Jan 2012, 17:57:55

The Megavideo/Megaupload case smells really bad. In some sort of Stalinesque parody the owners are alleged to have been running a racket. Really now. So if they did not remove copyright infringing files instantaneously then they must have been in league with the pirates to make money. But you can't charge them for not being fast enough, you charge them with the crime itself. I hope they get a real jury and not a collection of drooling retards who think if the FBI laid charges then the defendants must be guilty.

As for precedents, the erosion of rights in the US and elsewhere has been in full tilt since 2001. Note how the Patriot Act is not going away but is becoming consolidated. Perhaps the people who make all the decisions (not the average voiceless citizen) know what is coming in the next few years and think they can secure themselves through repressive tactics.
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby yeahbut » Sat 21 Jan 2012, 21:26:44

It was pretty amazing watching the police raid of Kim Dotcom here in New Zealand. 76 cops and armed offender squad members turned up pre-dawn! I was trying to remember when such a large raid last took place in NZ...maybe a bogus 'terrorist' raid a few years back, or a big coordinated nation-wide drug bust a while ago.

So this arrest, to defend the earnings of some multi-nationals, is obviously just as important for NZ as our national security and our drug problems.

Anyway, it was weird watching it happen, knowing that Herr Dotcom faced no charges under the laws of our country, and that the raid was being directed by agents of the FBI, of the USA, who had dropped into NZ for a little visit a few days earlier...

Incidentally, there certainly was a mighty pile of money made by those boys. I have driven by their property a few times, and stared in amazement just at the massive stone wall that lines the roadside edge of the place. Very high and superbly crafted, it goes on for km after km...hundreds of thousands of $ just in that...
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 21 Jan 2012, 21:54:27

There is a bit of a difference between protecting copyright and censoring porn. Also you can make money with porn by putting out free tasters to entice paying viewers, which may not always work, but never works with music. To promote music you have to make the whole track available and if you do that, why is anyone going to pay?
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby Loki » Sat 21 Jan 2012, 22:29:44

The media here in the US has apparently discovered the existence of torrent sites, and are shocked, shocked I say to hear about them :lol:

I'd hardly call this kind of action "the end of the internet." Might pose a problem if you download a lot of torrents, though. Napster anyone?
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby Ache » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 14:21:45

Seriously, If these gov. can calculate a monetary loss for the entertainment industry, then why not calculate the loss to the American people caused by the financial industry?

Look at the most recent issue of the Economist, the top 1% of American income earners are increasingly becoming people in the financial industry. How did they get there? By robbing people blind and not facing any real justice.

Talk about living brazenly, these scumbags have the nerve to give themselves million + dollar bonuses after being bailed out by the government??

Just UnReal !!!

Message to future sites like Megaupload: Donate to members of Congress so you too can get out of trouble with the government. Megaupload could have been "too big to fail" but instead got shutdown. Lesson learned.
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby Lore » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 14:41:20

It's pretty clear here, the Internet is free, but copyright material is not. Same as its ever been. The only wonder is that its taken so long to begin to enforce the law.

Look for states to start enforcing taxation on Internet sales with a vengence as local big box stores close due to one click out of town online sales.
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby dissident » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 14:55:12

Lore wrote:It's pretty clear here, the Internet is free, but copyright material is not. Same as its ever been. The only wonder is that its taken so long to begin to enforce the law.

Look for states to start enforcing taxation on Internet sales with a vengence as local big box stores close due to one click out of town online sales.


There is nothing honest about this case. The only way Megavideo/Megaupload could make money off of pirated material is to have people pay them for the premium service to download it. Why bother when the regular download rate was fast enough. Also, from personal experience, MV/MU was actively deleting ripped video. It is quite clear that MV/MU is being made an example of and there are other file download companies that have pirated and cracked software on their servers which you can find doing Google searches. With a bit of patience you can download pretty much any piece of serious software out there including technical software that is hardly the target of the average consumer.
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby bochen280 » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 15:10:22

Ache wrote:Seriously, If these gov. can calculate a monetary loss for the entertainment industry, then why not calculate the loss to the American people caused by the financial industry?

Look at the most recent issue of the Economist, the top 1% of American income earners are increasingly becoming people in the financial industry. How did they get there? By robbing people blind and not facing any real justice.

Talk about living brazenly, these scumbags have the nerve to give themselves million + dollar bonuses after being bailed out by the government??

Just UnReal !!!

Message to future sites like Megaupload: Donate to members of Congress so you too can get out of trouble with the government. Megaupload could have been "too big to fail" but instead got shutdown. Lesson learned.



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Internet sites on their SOPA-Strike may be conducting a blackout but Hollywood studios are conducting a boycott. I’ve learned that Hollywood studio chiefs individually and as a group are drawing a line in the sand on the piracy issue with the Obama re-election campaign and refusing to give any more donations.

In a posting on the White House web site, three of the Obama administration’s top officials for Internet and intellectual property matters said that they share many of the concerns that the Internet community has about the Hollywood-supported bills. The trio said that they “will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet.” Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator Victoria Espinel, U.S. Chief Technology Officer Aneesh Chopra, and Special Assistant to the President Howard Schmidt tried to soften the blow to Hollywood by acknowledging that that online piracy is “a serious problem that requires a serious legislative response.” They added that they plan to host an online event “to get more input” on the matter. But Hollywood moguls told me they “didn’t know it was going to be as over the top as it was” and took this as a declaration of war. “We just feel very let down by the administration and Obama for not supporting us,” one studio chief explained to me. “At least let him remain neutral and not go against it until we can get the legislation right. But Obama went against it. I’m personally not going to support him anymore and not give a dime anymore,” another movie mogul who’s also a well-known Obama supporter told me this week.

Alarmed by the mogul boycott, Sarandos sent a personal plea to the Hollywood studio chiefs over the weekend begging them to continue supporting the Obama re-election campaign even though he knows they are disappointed with the Obama administration’s position on the piracy bills. Several moguls, in response, ”sent back word saying ‘Fuck You’ basically,” one insider tells me, expressing how they feel used and abused by the President despite their campaign contributions.

One insider told me, “Jim explained that this notion that the Hollywood community will continue giving regardless of its business interests has to be taken into consideration. The message was, ‘Don’t expect Hollywood to show up and say ‘Who do I write the check to’ anymore.”

The moguls are reminding Obama et al that, in the words of one studio chief, “God knows how much money we’ve given to Obama and the Democrats and yet they’re not supporting our interests. There’s been no greater supporters of him than we’ve been from the first day and the first fundraisers continuing until he was elected.
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 15:18:24

I'm busy capturing HD videos right now off youtube............

Tom Petty HD
Metallica HD
Coldplay HD
Alice in Chains HD........... :)

TV as we know it is toast, cable is toast, internet streaming is NOW! Some stuff is 1080p and free, all ya gotta know is how to do it. Download and play with HDMI, big screen and a good sound system. :)
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby Lore » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 15:31:05

dissident wrote:
Lore wrote:It's pretty clear here, the Internet is free, but copyright material is not. Same as its ever been. The only wonder is that its taken so long to begin to enforce the law.

Look for states to start enforcing taxation on Internet sales with a vengence as local big box stores close due to one click out of town online sales.


There is nothing honest about this case. The only way Megavideo/MKegaupload could make money off of pirated material is to have people pay them for the premium service to download it. Why bother when the regular download rate was fast enough. Also, from personal experience, MV/MU was actively deleting ripped video. It is quite clear that MV/MU is being made an example of and there are other file download companies that have pirated and cracked software on their servers which you can find doing Google searches. With a bit of patience you can download pretty much any piece of serious software out there including technical software that is hardly the target of the average consumer.


No matter which way you cut it they were copying and distributing music, movies and other copyrighted content without authorization. This is strictly verboten.
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby Loki » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 15:53:14

Pirate Bay is next. Better get those torrents while the getting's good :wink:
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby bochen280 » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 16:58:12

Loki wrote:Pirate Bay is next. Better get those torrents while the getting's good :wink:



Better archive a copy of Wikipedia before the Feds shut that down too. Wikipedia has been the most vocal about anti-SOPA/PIPA legislation... Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they get canned too before the end of the year is out...

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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 17:02:36

Loki wrote:Pirate Bay is next. Better get those torrents while the getting's good :wink:


Wouldn't it just be easier to buy the dvd ?
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 17:16:53

Many are NOT on DVD or were released in Europe.......... I'm still waiting for this one from the UK.

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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 17:27:42

re: shpongle dvd
Hmph, not available on ebay or amazon(us). One from a third party seller on amazon(uk)... None on amazon(jp).
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby Loki » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 17:40:19

AgentR11 wrote:
Wouldn't it just be easier to buy the dvd ?

No. Torrents are quite easy. Some IPs don't like it, though, my roommate last year got a letter from his former IP warning him about illegally downloading a movie, even though he was living two states away at the time (guess his ex-girlfriend "forgot" to switch over the account).

It's moot for me anyway, my internet connection is too damn slow and intermittent for torrents, it'd probably take a year and a half to download the latest episode of Jersey Shore. And I wouldn't want my boss (who's wireless I use) to find out about my predilection for pygmy goat porn.

I can't even watch Youtube videos unless I go the library. I use DownloadHelper to download them so I can watch them at home, mostly guitar and archery instructional vids. I imagine that will be deemed copyright violation soon enough, and I'll have a SWAT team pounding on my door demanding my netbook. But they'll have to pry my pygmy goat porn collection from my cold, dead, sticky hands.....
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby dissident » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 18:36:16

Lore wrote:
No matter which way you cut it they were copying and distributing music, movies and other copyrighted content without authorization. This is strictly verboten.


BS. They are not doing it, the pirates are. If somebody commits a crime on your property does that mean you are liable?
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Re: The End of the Internet As We Know It

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 18:44:16

"Safe harbour" is the concept that if a company takes expedious action in taking down copyrighted material then they have a defence to prevent materials being taken down.

What should happen is that when a copright holder sees something on the site that they hold the copyright too they issue a notice and demand it be taken down. If it is the uploader can file a counter note and then the website can restore the video but has to pass on the details of the uploader to the copyright holder and the issue then becomes between those two parties.

Safe harbour means it is not the service providers job to judge wheather something is in violation or not. This is how youtube works. AND this is important for freedom of speech.

Ill like to a favourite youtuber of mine, Potholer54 who goes through how creationists use copyright notifications to try to shut down critique. (Sorry Loki if you cant download this).

This is how youtube works.

There are darknets likefreenet that will be much harder to shutdown.
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