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Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby Graeme » Sat 21 Jan 2012, 22:18:33

Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Provocative, frank and impossible to ignore. And that's just the title.

Craig Rosebraugh, a US filmmaker and political activist, has produced a feature-length documentary that demands to be seen. Greedy Lying Bastards is still awaiting a firm release date – sometime in 2012 is the current promise – but, if the trailer and impressive roster of interviewees are anything to go by, it's likely to cause quite a stir.

Filmed over the past two years and across nine countries, Greedy Lying Bastards claims to be a "searing indictment of the influence, deceit and corruption that defines the fossil fuel industry":

Rosebraugh documents the impact of an industry that puts profits before people, wages a campaign of lies to thwart measures to combat climate change, uses its clout to minimize infringing regulations and undermined the political process in the U.S. and abroad…By interweaving the stories of the victims of the Gulf oil spill and the global climate crisis, he lays bare the industry's deliberate pattern of irresponsibility. And, while oil companies worldwide exert influence over policies that will protect their revenues, those who speak out against the industry's reckless practices risk their livelihoods, and in some instances, their lives.

Rosebraugh's position is abundantly clear: he is aiming hard and fast at the oil industry and the network of influence that does its bidding. But, despite all the polemic and editorialising, it would appear that he has gone to some lengths to include a wide range of voices in the documentary:


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Re: Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby Cog » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 00:07:27

Oil companies provide a product that is desired by the consumers. No different than a pimp or a drug dealer.

Free market capitalism at its best.
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Re: Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby Lore » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 00:22:58

These scalawags need to be continually called out for what they are, unthinking greedy bastards.
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Re: Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby WildRose » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 01:44:43

The following testimony is very telling:

http://www.albertasurfacerights.com/articles/?id=1569

It's a long read, but worth it. It chronicles the plight of one Alberta family whose water has been contaminated, and they're just one of many.
You'll be amazed at what they've been through, and how they've been treated by the oil companies and regulatory bodies alike!
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Re: Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby Loki » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 02:49:08

Funny, I used to know Craig. I was wondering what became of him. Glad to see he's still a agitatin' :wink:
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Re: Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby rangerone314 » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 16:03:17

WildRose wrote:The following testimony is very telling:

http://www.albertasurfacerights.com/articles/?id=1569

It's a long read, but worth it. It chronicles the plight of one Alberta family whose water has been contaminated, and they're just one of many.
You'll be amazed at what they've been through, and how they've been treated by the oil companies and regulatory bodies alike!
If you don't get legal recourse to get wrongs righted, I'm a fan of seeking illegal recourse. I consider failure to attain the first an indictment of the system, as much as the perpetrators.

And for those opposed to the second, poisoning people is every bit of an assault as any violent act and people have the right to self defense.
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Re: Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby Cog » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 17:37:38

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.
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Re: Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby Loki » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 17:45:01

Cog wrote:The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Since when does a libertarian believe in utilitarianism?
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Unread postby Cog » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 18:21:00

Maybe I'm an ideologically impure Libertarian. :-D
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Unread postby Loki » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 20:33:40

Cog wrote:Maybe I'm an ideologically impure Libertarian. :-D

You do understand that espousing consequentialism will result in your exile from the village? You either believe in deontology or you don't. There is no middle ground.
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Unread postby Cog » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 21:09:53

Lets just say the needs of the many(those oil consumers in the US), outweigh the needs of the one(the Alberta family listed above). If the Canadian government sees fit to compensate them due to damages that they suffer than that is up to them.

That fits in with Libertarianism and free market capitalism.
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Unread postby basil_hayden » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 21:17:09

I'm no fan of oil companies polluting stuff, especially when they know better at this point in the game.

But you'd think filmmakers would attack the banks. At least the oil companies have skin in the game.

Unfortunately, the bank is where the filmmakers get their money I guess, kinda like the US government.
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Re: Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby Loki » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 21:24:59

Cog wrote:Lets just say the needs of the many(those oil consumers in the US), outweigh the needs of the one(the Alberta family listed above). If the Canadian government sees fit to compensate them due to damages that they suffer than that is up to them.

That fits in with Libertarianism and free market capitalism.

That's it, we're going to have to throw you out of Galt's Gulch. Your consequentialist heresy has no place here. The collective never trumps the individual. Never.
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Unread postby Loki » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 21:29:32

basil_hayden wrote:Unfortunately, the bank is where the filmmakers get their money I guess, kinda like the US government.

Ha ha, I doubt very much Craig got any money from banks. He was the national spokesman for the Earth Liberation Front when I knew him back in the '90s :lol:
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Re: Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby WildRose » Mon 23 Jan 2012, 02:11:56

Cog wrote:Lets just say the needs of the many(those oil consumers in the US), outweigh the needs of the one(the Alberta family listed above). If the Canadian government sees fit to compensate them due to damages that they suffer than that is up to them.

That fits in with Libertarianism and free market capitalism.


Sheesh, Cog, if the companies aren't accountable to adequate regulations, the potential for harm to people only increases with time, and it's likely just a matter of time before something happens that affects a lot of people. I'd like to have a healthy environment to live in, because I can't afford a $2 million bunker condo.
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Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 23 Jan 2012, 02:57:16

Cog wrote:Lets just say the needs of the many(those oil consumers in the US), outweigh the needs of the one(the Alberta family listed above). If the Canadian government sees fit to compensate them due to damages that they suffer than that is up to them.

That fits in with Libertarianism and free market capitalism.

What use is libertarianism and free market capitalism if ALL property rights are not respected?

Why not execute and harvest the rich for organs, and donate them to the Middle Class, since the needs of the many, outweight the needs of the few.
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Unread postby Cog » Mon 23 Jan 2012, 06:13:40

I'm sure there are courts in Alberta that deal with tort matters.
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Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 23 Jan 2012, 09:04:20

The following testimony is very telling:


Reading through the complaint it seems somewhat confusing. At one point they claim the contamination is coming from an Encana coal bed methane well which is quite shallow and suggest this is verified by ethane isotopes being similar to that collected from their drinking water. Later on they claim that the source of their gas is coming from much deeper in Cretaceous sandstones. Perhaps it is difficult to tell for sure.
There are several things that need to be considered.
If indeed their gas is coming from a shallow zone it could be completely natural coming from the Horseshoe Canyon coals. Gas from coals is bound in the organic lattice and requires that water is produced before the gas can become unbound and is then freely produced. This is exactly how cbm production schemes work...water is produced for a long time before gas can be produced. This is also in keeping with the 8 years of gas free production they have had.
Alternatively if the gas is coming from deeper it could be coming from a natural gas reservoir where by producing the bottom water over a period of 8 years they eventually cones gas down from a high elevation at some distance from the well.
One of the main problems here is that in Alberta as is the case almost everywhere water wells are not required to either be cased and perforated or is the producing horizon required to be registered. As a consequence it is often difficult to be sure what horizon is producing and where any specific contaminants might be coming in.
In the area these folks moved into gas drilling has been a fact of life for decades. Unfortunately home owners hire water drilling companies to drill water wells without hiring geologic consultants who could tell them about possible problematic aquifer levels. Its cheaper of course but fraught with risk. In short you should never try to use a known producing horizon as a acquirer unless you are absolutely sure ther is no gas in that zone for numerous miles away. As well everything but the aquifer you are producingnfrom should be cased and cemented. Unfortunately this is a costly proposition.
This is not something new farmers have noted gas in their water wells as far back as the turn of the twentieth century. One solution is to live with it. Producing into a setting tank which is then vented solves most of the problems.
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Re: Greedy Lying Bastards: US filmmaker attacks oil industry

Unread postby WildRose » Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:50:06

Thanks for weighing in, Rockdoc. Would you have any comments on the portions of the testimony below, especially the italicized parts:


"After six years and 10 reports later, and

living with the danger of explosion or being gassed, the ERCB asked to test our water for the next two

to five years. Both Alberta Environment and the ERCB have repeatedly put the responsibility for

removing the gases from our water onto us, telling us that to prevent the danger of explosion that we

should vent the gas.
We sure didn't put this toxic mix of gases into our water and according to the

ERCB's own regulations, it's illegal to vent sour gas."


"This summer the energy company wanting to drill the new well tested our water once again (that's

about 16 times in five years). I think this was more to protect the company than us. They found that our

water was 25% gas, the methane content at over 500,000 ppm and increased levels of other gases,

including sour gas at 88.5 ppm. Alberta Health's regulation for safe exposure level is 10 ppm. This

deadly gas was coming into our home, we were showering with it for the past 5 years. We realized we

were endangering our health and couldn't wait for the government's “promised safe water” any longer.

We had to find an alternate source."
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