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Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 18 Apr 2012, 02:06:51

A convergence of things in the news..

First, you had the GSA with their "western region's" lavish convention in Las Vegas. Here's the rap video:

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Next up, the secret service thing with "wheels up party" that included no less than *twenty* colombian prostitutes. The whole thing only blew up in scandal because one agent was too cheap to pay one of the girls. Depending on what the girl did, I'm more bothered by that -- using the services of a prostitute is one thing but not even paying her after that's really low. This was all over $45.

Lastly, even Hillary Clinton got loosened up:



What hasn't been discussed is that whole colombian trip was mostly about a new free trade deal. More jobs gone offshore, yay sounds great goodness knows we have private sector jobs to spare. :roll:

So what's the plan here, free trade with countries where workers make nickels on the hour and no environmental / labor regs, and to create employment back home we'll just print cash and hire lots of gov workers and everyone will party?
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 18 Apr 2012, 04:51:37

There is a trend emerging along these lines: if you can start a 'new' enterprise in a 3rd world country, pay the going rate in that country and provide a 'socially responsible' policy such as supporting worker's children's education and providing family health benefits/ you are a saint. Never mind if the operator of the 'new' business owns or recently sold a very similar business in a 1st world country. The idea of equity with first world living standards has just about died. The rich have excused themselves from any such responsibility, about the same time as wealth divide is really growing in their home countries.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 18 Apr 2012, 12:10:30

Sixstrings wrote:So what's the plan here, free trade with countries where workers make nickels on the hour and no environmental / labor regs, and to create employment back home we'll just print cash and hire lots of gov workers and everyone will party?


Yup.

Add in the occasional war in some tiny foreign oil-producing country, and you've pretty much summed up what the US is all about these days. 8)
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby Fishman » Wed 18 Apr 2012, 13:36:50

Six, folks tend to party it up when:
a)Their boss is corrupt
b)They know they will shortly be losing their job
c)They don't give a s%&t because its someone else's money.
d)They hate their job because their boss brings the p.o.s. to potus.
e)All of the above
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 18 Apr 2012, 17:38:39

The NY Times Interviews the Cartegena prostitute at the center of the dispute with the secret service agent over her payment.

interview with single mom prostitute in venezuela involved in the scandal

Curiously, in spite of the fact that President Obama claimed the US government was investigating this scandal, over a week after the scandal broke the prostitute involved had not yet been interviewed or contacted by any investigators---.

How does the US government intend to investigate what happened if they don't even bother to talk to the victim of what happened? :roll:
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 18 Apr 2012, 20:23:17

The scandal just claimed 3 secret service agents-----two supervisors took early retirement and one agent resigned for stiffing the prostitutes in Cartegena.

This scandal could get even bigger, as the investigation is apparently being expanded to take in unrelated but illicit activities that may've occurred on junkets in years past . 8)
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 06:22:48

Rule #1 of anybody engaging in hanky panky. Don't Get Caught! I know that sounds simplistic but in nearly every case where something like this comes to light it is discovered because the people involved forgot rule #1. In the USSS case if they had paid up instead of fighting over price and getting the local authorities involved we would all still be ignorant of everything hinky that had been taking place.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby radon » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 06:55:55

The easiest way to avoid such situations is to disband secret services.
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Unread postby Fishman » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 09:16:28

"The easiest way to avoid such situations is to disband secret services." Um, sure. Your logic would be, no protection for presidents would prevent prostitution and partying on the government dime? While we're at it can we disband several other government agencies?

Or
Perhaps this is Obama's plan for those terrible Republican's "War on Women". Obama's plan, give'em free contraception, keep them unemployed except for periodic prostitution, then skimp on payment. Yep, that sounds about right.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 09:25:36

Smaller Government Fish........ lsol
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Unread postby Fishman » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 09:36:59

I've not heard smaller government would decrease prostitution but it does seem self evident with Six's post that a smaller government would certainly reduce GSA partying on your dime Vision. Thanks for the insight.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 09:38:50

No cuts to the Military, right fishy.......
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Unread postby Fishman » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 09:45:23

Didn't post that did I dilusion-master? Got any other straw men you would like to put out?
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:19:34

While we're at it can we disband several other government agencies?


Smaller Government right Fish?

Which ones shall we disband?
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 13:37:02

Fishman wrote:I've not heard smaller government would decrease prostitution but it does seem self evident with Six's post that a smaller government would certainly reduce GSA partying on your dime Vision. Thanks for the insight.


The irony is that the GSA is a whole level of bureaucracy that serves the other bureaucracies -- and it's intended to *save* money. Maybe on the aggregate, they do. But maybe privitization would be better for something like this.. GSA is the "office supplier" to the federal government, they lease buildings handle cubicles and pencils and paper and water coolers and flat screen TV's on and on. This is one case where I'm sure you could privatize the whole thing out and the taxpayers would save a lot of money even after fat profit for the private contractor. Government is just that inefficient.

Stuff like the above.. a million dollar Las Vegas convention complete with penthouse parties and hired magicians.. that just doesn't happen in the private sector world. Not for rank and file employees, anyway.

How much productivity was lost over the buildup to this Vegas party? Looks like each district or whatever made their own music videos / skits. Apparently done while on the job. They must not be too busy at work, if you can make a rap video in the middle of the day in jeans with your feet up on the desk playing a ukulele.

To be fair, the million dollars spent on this regional gov worker convention is an infinitesimal drop in the bucket in terms of the gargantuan federal budget. I imagine the government wastes billions on overpriced toilet seats. I'm a liberal, but sometimes it's a tough call -- gov-provided service versus private. With private you've got the profit set-aside, but by their nature private corps are extremely efficient and you don't get the massive waste and bloat you do with government. With government, there's no pressure for efficiency.

On the other hand, the private sector isn't treating its employees well enough certainly not on par with their government counterparts. The real answer here, are mandated better wages and benefits for everyone and then you get the best of both worlds, good middle class jobs whether private or gov plus the efficiency of privatization (some things should never be privatized though like local water and police, but something like the GSA well ya I think a contractor could handle office supplies).

My overall concern here is what seems to be shaping up is an America of three classes -- the rich, then the government workers and gov keeps growing regardless of party in power, and lastly the private sector working class is left out in the cold. Private sector workers have all the stress of competition and insecurity and layoffs, forget about a Las Vegas party with magicians and clowns private sector cube workers have a mountain of stress and insecurity that gov workers never experience plus they're paid less.

As it stands, situation evolving right now is advantage for the rich and then advantage for government workers. It's not good.. the economy needs to be based upon a solid private sector with good middle class jobs. If the only good middle class jobs left are government jobs, that's the road to socialism and communism and it's not sustainable.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 16:35:45

PIcs of single mom/prostitute/whistle-blower who stood up to secret service agents who refused to pay and demanded the "money, honey".

pics of single mom stiffed by USSS in Cartegena

I don't get why the internal US government investigation hasn't located and questioned this woman to find out what happened to her ----the press seems to be able to find her and question her and photograph her without any difficulty at all. :roll:
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 17:12:40

Dang, those South Americas are HOT!
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Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 20:18:39

Plantagenet wrote:PIcs of single mom/prostitute/whistle-blower who stood up to secret service agents who refused to pay and demanded the "money, honey".

pics of single mom stiffed by USSS in Cartegena

I don't get why the internal US government investigation hasn't located and questioned this woman to find out what happened to her ----the press seems to be able to find her and question her and photograph her without any difficulty at all. :roll:


It's nothing unusual in third world countries to see the most wanted doing TV interviews and maintaining facebook pages with pics with their grandkids etc. You think there is inequity in justice in the US? Imagine living somewhere the police require upfront payment for fuel, bullets then blood money for any officers killed going about fulfilling their 'duty' (ie. contract).
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 20:39:52

To me, the ONLY issue here is simply:

Were the Secret Service agents on a (legitimate) break or off-work period, or were they shirking official duties to "stiff" a prostitute?

It's pretty simple. If just on a break, but porking prostitutes instead of, say, sleeping or playing cards -- SO WHAT? Their wives may get pissed, etc. but as a taxpayer -- I don't care WHAT the person(s) do on break as long as they WORK when I'm paying them.

If shirking duties, then FIRE THEIR ASSES. If there were more of this in ALL government work (expect competence and productivity), I suspect things would suddenly trend toward a LOT more productivity.

So far, I haven't heard this issue in the media. Only sensationilist or moralistic tripe. Stupid and sad.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 20:55:31

Showing your libertarian stripes Outcast. Fact is conservatives on both sides in every modern democracy still have major issues with what party reps do on their own time. This being the fact, these bosses tend to subject their key department staff with the same scrutiny. There is something funny about this story, in that how come the girl took a promise of payment? Unheard of in this industry, it's cash up front, every time, everywhere, or mobile credit transfer. A real hooker would not open her legs on credit. So my guess is she's not. She's what's called a freelancer, taking an opportunity where she finds one, but naive enough to not know the norms of the sex industry. If the agents were seasoned hooker hirers, they probably read this naivety as an opportunity of their own, to jilt payment. Stupid.
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