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Julian Assange

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 01 Dec 2010, 18:07:52

Interview on Canadian TV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqtIafdoH_g&feature=player_embedded

Holy cow, that's the last thing I'd ever expect a Canadian to say. 8O

I also see FoxNews' Bill O'Reilly is calling for wikileakers to be executed:

Bill O'Reilly took a hard line against the leakers of the classified State Department cables released by WikiLeaks this week, saying they were traitors who "should be executed or put in prison for life."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/30/oreilly-wikileaks-leakers-executed_n_789654.html


Well at least Bill, the great humanitarian, is allowing life in prison as an option -- whereas the Canadian PM's guy wants assassination by predator drone. 8O
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 01 Dec 2010, 18:23:21

Not knowing if their personal skeletons are about to be outed have got all the elites squirming.

Hopefully Assange prepared well for this eventuality. It's obvious this is what he was aiming for. He wanted to shake their tree and he's done a real good job of it.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 01 Dec 2010, 19:40:06

Canada - Criminal Code
(a) every one who counsels another person to commit an indictable offence is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an indictable offence and liable to the same punishment to which a person who attempts to commit that offence is liable; and

(b) every one who counsels another person to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

There are similar laws in other countries.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 01 Dec 2010, 19:52:37

Keith_McClary wrote:(a) every one who counsels another person to commit an indictable offence is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an indictable offence and liable to the same punishment to which a person who attempts to commit that offence is liable; and..


Canadian law only applies to Canadian soil, no?

To be fair, the guy only sounded half serious. It was a weird thing to say though -- in the US, the predator drones aren't mentioned in polite conversation. Officially, they don't even exist. When Hillary Clinton was questioned about it at a town hall meeting in Pakistan, she declined to answer one question after another since officially the drones don't exist.

By the way, I'm not against the drones per se. It's just a bad situation when a whole wedding party gets blown up, or kids in the way. And then you have the slippery slope, where removing troublesome people by a push of a button gets a bit too easy. So easy that even Canadians say "just send a drone after him."
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Wed 01 Dec 2010, 20:03:47

Keith_McClary wrote:Canada - Criminal Code
(a) every one who counsels another person to commit an indictable offence is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an indictable offence and liable to the same punishment to which a person who attempts to commit that offence is liable; and

(b) every one who counsels another person to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

There are similar laws in other countries.

Isn't that basically criminal solicitation?
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Novus » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 04:55:40

I see the guy almost like a Hero. He is a real life John Galt. Who is John Galt?
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Crazy_Dad » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 06:11:42

What a complete F**K - He just broke the law. Assange has not done that yet.

I thought Canadians were nice commonwealth citizens.

Cid_Yama wrote:Not knowing if their personal skeletons are about to be outed have got all the elites squirming.

Hopefully Assange prepared well for this eventuality. It's obvious this is what he was aiming for. He wanted to shake their tree and he's done a real good job of it.


Then again the Australian elite is calling for blood too. A pox on all their houses. Good call Cid.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Ayoob » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 06:33:31

I would happily ******** him for treason.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Crazy_Dad » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 06:51:54

Ayoob wrote:I would happily ******** him for treason.


What treason? I see no charge of Treason in Australia, based on his activities.
We used to call it journalism. Google Watergate for starters.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 07:28:23

Crazy_Dad wrote:What treason? I see no charge of Treason in Australia, based on his activities.
We used to call it journalism. Google Watergate for starters.


That's actually a good point.. after all, we didn't execute woodward and bernstien now did we? The Pentagon papers was a massive leak, not unlike wikileaks.

Expatriot should weigh in on this, he probably knows the supreme court case law on it. From what I understand, the court has ruled there's a difference between leaking (a function of journalism and the first amendment) and espionage (giving state secrets to the enemy in exchange for money).

It's times like this when you realize just how far into fascism we've sunk.. people don't even know what journalism means anymore.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Crazy_Dad » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 07:56:38

Sixstrings wrote:
Crazy_Dad wrote:What treason? I see no charge of Treason in Australia, based on his activities.
We used to call it journalism. Google Watergate for starters.


That's actually a good point.. after all, we didn't execute woodward and bernstien now did we? The Pentagon papers was a massive leak, not unlike wikileaks.

Expatriot should way in on this, he probably knows the supreme court case law on it. From what I understand, the court has ruled there's a difference between leaking (a function of journalism and the first amendment) and espionage (giving state secrets to the enemy in exchange for money).

It's times like this when you realize just how far into fascism we've sunk.. people don't even know what journalism means anymore.


Thanks for the backup Sixstrings. The point is there has been no legal case to date against JA or Wikileaks. Just smear campaigns and trumped up charges designed to silence the Org.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Revi » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 09:53:17

Wait until early next year when he releases all that info about Bank of America and nefarious financial dealings. That's when they will take him out, if they haven't done so before he lets the cat out of the bag.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby drgoodword » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 13:05:43

Ayoob wrote:I would happily ******** him for treason.


This is precisely why, imo, Assange's days are unfortunately numbered.

Assange has become a infidel Salman Rushdie for the American Patriot Fundamentalists. There will be no need for a government-backed assassination of Assange. Some well-meaning Stars & Stripes fanatic amateur will gladly do the job. (And, once arrested for Assange's murder, will become a hero-martyr to the Mom & Apple Pie Wahhabis.)
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby deMolay » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 13:35:05

Barrack probably has a drone in the air with his profile programmed in, the same as he has in droves over Pakistan. The same as he has on the US/Mex Border. Barrack is laying lower than a snakes belly in a wagon rut, or he is lower than whale shit on this issue. And it is his issue. And he will get JA. JA is holding back the personal stuff on Barrack so far, but it is coming.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 13:40:16

drgoodword wrote:
This is precisely why, imo, Assange's days are unfortunately numbered.

Assange has become a infidel Salman Rushdie for the American Patriot Fundamentalists. There will be no need for a government-backed assassination of Assange. Some well-meaning Stars & Stripes fanatic amateur will gladly do the job. (And, once arrested for Assange's murder, will become a hero-martyr to the Mom & Apple Pie Wahhabis.)


DeMolay is right.

Its more likely an outraged Obama or Hillary supporter will get him. After all, this giant leak exposes the incompetence of the Obama administration, and the secret documents are an embarrassment mainly to Hillary as they reveal her unorthodox (illegal?) use of diplomats at spies at the UN.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby diemos » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 13:46:53

Interesting that nobody mentions the Pfc who leaked the data and actually is guilty of treason.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 14:44:59

diemos wrote:Interesting that nobody mentions the Pfc who leaked the data and actually is guilty of treason.


Well that's a legal question. Freedom of speech is the FIRST amendment for a reason -- it's the most important freedom we have, without which no other rights can exist.

There's a difference between a leaker and a spy. A leaker exposes corruption, fraud, lies and incompetence. Whereas a spy is recruited by a foreign government, usually enticed with monetary rewards, and the spy divulges specific military state secrets. Things that give an advantage to the enemy -- but that's not the wikileaks, I doubt there's anything here other nations' intelligence services didn't know already. It's just new to us, the general public.

And the leaks have shown an equally critical light on Russia by the way -- exposing a "mafia / oligarch state" where the mafia, the megarich and government work hand in hand, and top officials have a bribery system that amounts to a shadow tax structure. Don't you think these are things the Russian dissidents might like to know? Don't you think the truth may have a chance of *helping* democracy in that country, hopefully turning back the tide of fascism?
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 16:58:34

diemos wrote:Interesting that nobody mentions the Pfc who leaked the data and actually is guilty of treason.


But if your rulers are sharing secrets with foreign dictators and lying to you about it, that's not "treason". :roll:

BTW, you should look up "guilty" and "treason" in your dictionary (or law books.)
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby ian807 » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 17:18:13

Wow, this "shoot the messenger" thing is really in full swing, eh?

Let's see. People are calling Assange a traitor. Well, he's not American, is he? So "traitor" isn't really quite appropriate. He's a foreign national whose organization acquired some information and is publishing it. Strictly speaking, he hasn't even broken a law. I'm not counting the laughably trumped up sex charges against him.

Others are calling for assassination. For what, exactly? Revealing illegal actions of the state department like using diplomats as spies? Who should be prosecuted here? Assange, the whistle blower, or Hillary Clinton?

This guy is just a big fat dose of reality. Governments world wide and soon, banks, are scared of this. Truth works against BAU. Truth make it difficult for money to be skimmed of the "little people." Truth moves many of the world's governments a little closer to actual democratic rule, possibly by revolutionary means.
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Re: Snr Advisor to Canadian PM calls for Assange's assassina

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 02 Dec 2010, 19:00:57

Keith_McClary wrote:But if your rulers are sharing secrets with foreign dictators and lying to you about it, that's not "treason". :roll:


Hah, good point.

ian807 wrote:Let's see. People are calling Assange a traitor. Well, he's not American, is he? So "traitor" isn't really quite appropriate.


Traitor to the new world order maybe?
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