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ASPO-USA Meets With EIA

Unread postby Pops » Mon 31 Dec 2012, 15:15:05

On Monday, December 17, representatives of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil & Gas USA (ASPO-USA) met with senior officials with the Energy Information Administration (EIA), including Administrator Adam Sieminski, and staff from other offices within the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE). The meeting was arranged following a letter that ASPO-USA sent to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Sieminski after his appointment as EIA administrator earlier this year. The letter outlined key questions and concerns regarding oil and gas information that EIA provides.

The meeting was intended to help ASPO-USA and DOE-EIA better understand each other’s perspectives and explore ways that ASPO-USA might collaborate with DOE and EIA’s to enhance their information products. EIA officials discussed their priorities and the challenges they face, while ASPO-USA representatives discussed the goals of our work and our specific concerns.

ASPO-USA’s concerns generally followed two themes: 1) projections for future oil and gas supply should properly consider technical and economic factors that may constrain U.S. domestic production; and 2) DOE and EIA need to recognize broader trends that may be increasing the risk of a world oil crisis. While it was an important opportunity to present analyses by ASPO-USA-affiliated experts, the greatest benefit of the meeting was gaining a clearer understanding of the factors that are shaping EIA’s work and the opportunities for ASPO-USA to provide constructive ongoing input.

Of relevance to our concerns, we learned that EIA information on drilling costs and other costs of oil and gas production may not be very robust. Their projection models, therefore, may grossly underestimate the significance of increasing production costs as a constraint on oil or gas supply. EIA’s projection models seem to be more demand-driven than supply-driven in general (we will be reviewing the assumptions and inputs of their models to confirm how supply constraints are or are not factored into their projections). In addition to offering assistance in gathering and evaluating such cost data, we suggested tracking different types of oil and gas separately, so that their varying technical and cost constraints can be more properly and clearly assessed.

Moreover, in pressing issues regarding world oil production and rising global consumption, we became more cognizant that EIA, despite being the nation’s central source of energy information, does not have a clearly defined mandate to track global trends nor collect and report international energy data. ASPO-USA representatives conveyed that this was an issue where we and other outside experts could be helpful in providing both assistance and an impetus to address such issues more thoroughly. We discussed and mutually recognized that there are major problems with inconsistent and unreliable data from different countries. However, we also noted that there are analyses and interpretations of global trends that can be made based on existing data from reliable sources.

Perhaps most importantly, we learned that EIA’s interaction with and input from experienced experts in technical oil and gas issues may not be as regular and rigorous as it should be. EIA receives advisory support from the American Statistical Association’s Committee on Energy Statistics, but this input is primarily focused on statistical methods. EIA conducts and participates in various meetings and conferences where special technical issues are discussed, but these meetings seem to be relatively ad hoc and lack continuity. As a way of building a closer working relationship between EIA and ASPO-USA, as well as promoting input from a broad diversity of outside experts, we offered to help organize a series of meetings or workshops to address in-depth the questions and issues that ASPO-USA has raised. We also posited the need and potential benefits of a broader standing advisory body of outside experts, though establishing such a body is a somewhat longer-term prospect.

In sum, we opened direct channels of communication and created a solid foundation for future cooperation. At the same time, we are developing a more concrete understanding of their work, so that our questions, input, and criticisms of their work can be more specific and constructive.


http://aspousa.org/2012/12/aspo-usa-mee ... e-learned/
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Re: ASPO-USA Meets With EIA

Unread postby SamInNebraska » Mon 31 Dec 2012, 16:08:08

The article appears to indicate that big industry dawgs are exactly what the EIA doesn't have, or contacts on only an intermittent basis.

"Perhaps most importantly, we learned that EIA’s interaction with and input from experienced experts in technical oil and gas issues may not be as regular and rigorous as it should be."
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Re: ASPO-USA Meets With EIA

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 31 Dec 2012, 18:30:52

EIA’s projection models seem to be more demand-driven than supply-driven in general (we will be reviewing the assumptions and inputs of their models to confirm how supply constraints are or are not factored into their projections).


Probably one of the more significant reasons that the various groups often talk past one another.
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Re: ASPO-USA Meets With EIA

Unread postby SamInNebraska » Mon 31 Dec 2012, 20:10:54

pstarr wrote:
SamInNebraska wrote:
"Perhaps most importantly, we learned that EIA’s interaction with and input from experienced experts in technical oil and gas issues may not be as regular and rigorous as it should be."
that's dweeb talk for; "they make sh#t up."


No it isn't. It implies that the EIA does not meets ASPO's expectations, they claim it is not "regular or rigorous", which implies it is irregular and non rigorous, not absent Based on the previous letters ASPO has sent to the EIA (copies of which are on their website) it would appear that if there was no experience ASPO wouldn't be saying that it happens intermittently or in a non rigorous way, they would be letting them have it with both barrels, and then they would be saying what you claim they said, but didn't.
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Re: ASPO-USA Meets With EIA

Unread postby SamInNebraska » Mon 31 Dec 2012, 20:14:30

dinopello wrote:
EIA’s projection models seem to be more demand-driven than supply-driven in general (we will be reviewing the assumptions and inputs of their models to confirm how supply constraints are or are not factored into their projections).


Probably one of the more significant reasons that the various groups often talk past one another.


I am interested in the "seem to be" part. It means ASPO doesn't know, and the model used by the EIA use is right out there for anyone to find. You would have thought if they went all the way to Washington to talk with the Administrator himself they would know. Probably the most boring thing in the world to work through, but if you have the head honcho himself in range, it might come in helpful to actually show that you know your stuff, and his. Otherwise you look like a putz.

http://www.eia.gov/oiaf/aeo/overview/
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Re: ASPO-USA Meets With EIA

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 31 Dec 2012, 20:25:44

SamInNebraska wrote:I am interested in the "seem to be" part. It means ASPO doesn't know..


Actually, phrases like "seems to show" and "it appears" are common in technical writing.

When ASPO says the current projection from EIA "seems to be" wrong, its just a polite way for the ASPO to point out that past EIA projections have been proved wrong over and over again, so the current projections may well be wrong as well.

The scientists at the ASPO aren't about to come out and call the government officials at the EIA a pack of liars who are cooking their data. Gentlemen and scholars have nicer ways of saying such things. 8)
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Re: ASPO-USA Meets With EIA

Unread postby Pops » Mon 07 Jan 2013, 17:38:02

In related news, (I think) Deborah Rogers is appointed by Secretary Salazar to an Interior Dept "advisory committee" to "increase transparency":

“The Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative is a voluntary, global effort designed to increase transparency, strengthen the accountability of natural resource revenue reporting, and build public trust for the governance of these vital activities. Participating countries publicly disclose revenues received by the government for oil, gas, and mining development, while companies make corresponding disclosures regarding these same payments to the government, and both sets of data are reviewed and reconciled by a mutually agreed upon independent third party. Results are then released in a public report.”


You'll remember Rogers, she was interviewed by the NYT in 2011 for the article about the fracking gas rush.

And of course more famously, I've quoted her numerous time here at po.com regarding over-reporting of tight oil/gas reserves!

Her blog is
http://energypolicyforum.org/
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