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What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 31 Jul 2013, 18:37:27

What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?

Summary of a lecture by Professor Chris Rhodes to the Conway Hall Ethical Society, Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, London. 11.00 am, Sunday July 28th, 2013.

The world supply of crude oil isn’t going to run out any time soon, and we will be producing oil for decades to come. However, what we won’t be doing is producing crude oil – petroleum – at the present rate of around 30 billion barrels per year. For a global civilization that is based almost entirely on a plentiful supply of cheap, crude oil, this is going to present some considerable challenges. If we look over a 40 year period, from 1965 to 2005, we see that by the end of it, humanity was using two and a half times as much oil, twice as much coal and three times as much natural gas, as at the start, and overall, around three times as much energy: this for a population that had “only” doubled. Hence our individual average carbon footprint had increased substantially – not, of course, that this increase in the use of energy, and all else, was by any means equally distributed across the globe.


Of greatest concern is how much oil is remaining. As noted, we currently use 30 billion barrels a year – 84 million barrels a day, or a thousand barrels every second. When it is trumpeted about some new and huge find of oil, e.g. the Tupi field off Brazil, thought to contain 8 billion barrels, in reality this is only enough to run the world for three months. Context should not be lost in these matters. The quality of the oil is also at issue. For example, much of the remaining oil is of the “heavy”, “sour” kind, meaning that it is not necessarily liquid at all, but bitumen, and contains relatively high levels of sulphur, necessitating complex and energy-intensive processing to get the sulphur out – which would otherwise be corrosive toward the steel used in the refinery – and to crack the heavier material into lighter fractions that can be used as fuel, or as feedstocks for industry.

So, it’s not just that we have got through much of our original bestowal of oil, but that what remains is of poorer quality – in other words, we have used-up most of the “good stuff”!


Not only are we entirely dependent on crude oil for all our fuel and materials, but without cheap crude oil, and natural gas to make nitrogen fertilizers, we could grow no food. If we look at a field of soya beans being harvested in Brazil, we see a number of features. For one, those beans are not consumed at source, but are transported around Brazil and around the world. So, oil-derived fuels are necessary not only to run the tractors and combine harvesters, but the trucks, ships and planes to move the crop onto the world markets.


The price of oil has quadrupled in the past 10 years, reflecting the more strenuous efforts that are necessary to maintain production: deepwater drilling, fracking, tar sands, all of which have much lower energy returns than for conventional crude oil. Indeed, oil that is recovered from fracking costs about $105 a barrel to produce which until recently was more than it could be sold for. However, the price of oil is creeping up, and the industry is prepared to bear the loss for now, because it knows that the price of a barrel of oil will shortly rocket, and having cornered this “new” portion of the industry, will make big profits.


Analyses made by both the International Energy Administration (IEA; effectively part of the U.S. Department of Energy) and its counterpart organisation, the Paris-based Energy Information Agency (EIA), concur that we will have lost around half our production of conventional crude oil by 2030. This is equivalent to four times the present output of Saudi Arabia, and it seems highly unlikely that this gap in supply can be filled from unconventional sources. Since we are entirely dependent on crude oil to fuel the world’s transportation, and looking at the amount of oil we are likely to be left with, we may conclude that it will be necessary to curb transportation by about 70% over the next 20 years.

This means the loss mainly of personalized transport and it is unfeasible that there will be 34 million electric cars in the U.K. (the current number of oil-fuelled cars) any time soon, and in reality, never. The only sensible means to move people around using electric power is by light rail and tramways, i.e. mass-transit systems.

If we can’t address the problem from the supply side we have to curb our demand. In the absence of cheap and widely accessible transport we will need to produce far more of our food and materials at the local level. Such a metamorphosis of human civilization from the global to the local, will be underpinned by building strong, resilient communities in which people share their skills and knowledge, to provide as much as possible at the local, grass-roots level. This is the underpinning philosophy of the growing network of Transition Towns. Frightening though all of this is, we may evolve into a happier and more fulfilling state of living than a perceived status quo, that in truth is all too rapidly running through our fingers.


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Re: What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?

Unread postby rollin » Wed 31 Jul 2013, 21:30:55

Well, obviously, when the oil runs out, we will use coal, natural gas, PV, wind, geothermal, hydro, methane hydrate, wood, bio-fuel and whatever else is about.

The real point is that fossil fuels will run out some day and right now we still have enough energy to make conversions to sustainable energy sources. There will need to be some belt tightening now, since we blew 40 years of energy, but it can still be done.
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Re: What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 31 Jul 2013, 22:03:06

One of the interesting points from Rhodes talk was that we will lose personalized transport. However, I'm thinking that there will be a biofuel substitute or the like which can be dropped into existing ICE engines and it has to be cheaper than gasoline.
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Re: What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 01 Aug 2013, 01:36:17

Graeme wrote:One of the interesting points from Rhodes talk was that we will lose personalized transport. However, I'm thinking that there will be a biofuel substitute or the like which can be dropped into existing ICE engines and it has to be cheaper than gasoline.

Do you mean you think it will be cheaper, or that if it isn't cheaper we're pooched?
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Re: What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?

Unread postby Graeme » Thu 01 Aug 2013, 02:17:21

Cheaper but there also has to be sufficient quantity.
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Re: What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?

Unread postby Beery1 » Thu 01 Aug 2013, 06:10:44

Oh man, as a person who gets around solely by bicycle, I sincerely HOPE there are 70% fewer cars on the road in 2033, but personally, I suspect traffic will not decrease by that much. A 70% reduction would put car ownership at the same level as it was in the 1920s - I don't see that happening within 20 years - at least not here in the US. Instead I see a lot of people clinging to their cars no matter what the cost to them financially.

If automobile transport does face a significant decline here in the US, the people hit by it will certainly be retirees and the middle class and working poor. I can imagine that in a world in which motorized transport (something that people in the US now consider to be a big part of their identity) goes away for a lot of people, class divisions (which people in the US pretend don't exist) will become a lot more obvious. Whether this will signal a precipitous end to the automobile, if only as a symbol of status in the US, or whether the rich clinging to their cars will raise class tensions, I don't know, but it will be an interesting issue.
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Re: What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?

Unread postby Pops » Thu 01 Aug 2013, 11:19:52

The article is pretty good, the guy says we'll need to adjust.

We're definitelynot going to increase biofuel production 2,000% so we can keep drivin the old SUV.

How ridiculous.

If we give up food altogether we could fuel about a third of today's vehicles.
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Re: What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?

Unread postby John_A » Thu 01 Aug 2013, 12:05:27

Graeme wrote:What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?
Summary of a lecture by Professor Chris Rhodes to the Conway Hall Ethical Society, Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, London. 11.00 am, Sunday July 28th, 2013.

Oh come on, that was all just a pitch for Transition Towns. The guy even spent time obviously picking through only the pieces of peak oil literature he liked and could use to drive the reader to the point where he can pitch the powerdown scenario. This wasn't a serious peak oil article as all, it was a sales pitch. And poorly done, cherry picking only some information he liked from sources without including all of it. No different than yelling about the decline in oil which can be produced using hand tools and buckets and how that should cause everyone to be scared, and comply with the meme being pitched...in this case, Transition Towns.
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Re: What Happens When the Oil Runs Out?

Unread postby Graeme » Thu 01 Aug 2013, 19:53:42

Pops wrote:The article is pretty good, the guy says we'll need to adjust. We're definitelynot going to increase biofuel production 2,000% so we can keep drivin the old SUV.
How ridiculous.If we give up food altogether we could fuel about a third of today's vehicles.

I recall in one of the old biofuel threads that the US could produce enough biofuel for a third of your fleet. In that case, the others will either have to pay for more expensive gasoline or use public transport or purchase a FFV, BEV or FCV or convert their ICE to run on CNG. Any other suggestions?
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