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2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 10:44:27

In 2012, for the first time in history, over 60 Million passenger cars will be produced in a single year (or 165,000 new cars produced every day).

http://www.worldometers.info/cars/


http://www.statisticbrain.com/cars-prod ... the-world/
Source: OICA
Research Date: 6.3.2013
The first practical automobile with a petrol engine was built by Karl Benz in 1885 in Mannheim, Germany. Around the world, there were about 806 million cars and light trucks on the road in 2007, consuming over 260 billion gallons of gasoline and diesel fuel yearly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle
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+ ships + trucks + planes + motorbikes

As a Peak Oiler you know what that means?

Not?

Just wait untill you will see it in your life.

Is the German Mr. Karl Benz a hero or a mass-murder :?:
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby BobInget » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 12:20:08

Well, at least now every child will be able to have his/her own car. That's progress!

The trick, to maintain cosmic balance, NEVER exceed the birth rate for personal transportation
vehicles. :P
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 14:20:33

BobInget wrote:Well, at least now every child will be able to have his/her own car. That's progress!

The trick, to maintain cosmic balance, NEVER exceed the birth rate for personal transportation
vehicles. :P



Sorry Sir!

This is not progress but entropie.

http://www.transport-impacts.com/wp-con ... -06-08.doc

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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 16:09:37

I don't think some people here get it. What this means is, the machines are taking over the world! :lol:

Here is the future of humanity. Resistance is futile! :lol:

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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 16:53:22

OilFinder2 wrote:I don't think some people here get it. What this means is, the machines are taking over the world! :lol:

Here is the future of humanity. Resistance is futile! :lol:

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OK, Oilfinder2 thats another aspect and an interesting view.

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http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt

In a car,
especially in densely populated areas, one cannot just go where one
likes at one's own pace one's movement is governed by the flow of
traffic and by various traffic laws. One is tied down by various
obligations: license requirements, driver test, renewing registration,
insurance, maintenance required for safety, monthly payments on
purchase price. Moreover, the use of motorized transport is no longer
optional. Since the introduction of motorized transport the
arrangement of our cities has changed in such a way that the majority
of people no longer live within walking distance of their place of
employment, shopping areas and recreational opportunities, so that
they HAVE TO depend on the automobile for transportation. Or else they
must use public transportation, in which case they have even less
control over their own movement than when driving a car. Even the
walker's freedom is now greatly restricted. In the city he continually
has to stop and wait for traffic lights that are designed mainly to
serve auto traffic. In the country, motor traffic makes it dangerous
and unpleasant to walk along the highway. (Note the important point we
have illustrated with the case of motorized transport: When a new item
of technology is introduced as an option that an individual can accept
or not as he chooses, it does not necessarily REMAIN optional. In many
cases the new technology changes society in such a way that people
eventually find themselves FORCED to use it.)
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby jodell8964 » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 17:10:48

The claim is that 165,000 new cars were manufactured per day in 2012. Looking at the world population growth website, it claims that there are 340,000 births per day. There are also 120,000 deaths per day. Meaning the world population increases by about 220,000 souls per day. So I find it hard to believe that the number of automobiles manufactured in 2012 exceeded the number of births in 2012. Perhaps the world population clock is not presenting the the correct facts.
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby rollin » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 17:35:37

Oversupply means heavy discounts this fall.
Once in a while the peasants do win. Of course then they just go and find new rulers, you think they would learn.
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 18:03:18

If the numbers are right, then add the millions of 125cc scooters, yep-.
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby americandream » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 18:23:12

OilFinder2 wrote:I don't think some people here get it. What this means is, the machines are taking over the world! :lol:

Here is the future of humanity. Resistance is futile! :lol:

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Bollix. It simply means that with capitalism having won (yeah, the Chinese communists are fakes), capitalists will sell you any ol' shit to get you to part with your earnings, even if said shit risks poisoning the planet.
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby americandream » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 18:24:34

rollin wrote:Oversupply means heavy discounts this fall.


Oversupply? Err. Not what I am counting.
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby ralfy » Wed 04 Sep 2013, 22:08:45

Related:

"The rise of the global middle class"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22956470
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby Beery1 » Thu 05 Sep 2013, 00:36:29

M_B_S wrote:2012 more vehicles were "born" than children on earth


Rubbish. Bicycles are vehicles too. Vehicles have been outpacing human reproduction for decades. The thing is, motorists don't count bikes as vehicles, despite the fact that the law virtually everywhere does.
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 05 Sep 2013, 03:32:03

Beery1 wrote:
M_B_S wrote:2012 more vehicles were "born" than children on earth


Rubbish. Bicycles are vehicles too. Vehicles have been outpacing human reproduction for decades. The thing is, motorists don't count bikes as vehicles, despite the fact that the law virtually everywhere does.


Sorry.

Make your homework !

You cannot produce one vehicle without (fossil) energy.

It is clear (context) that the birth-rate means motor-vehicle.

The number is ~ 84 million in 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... production

List of countries by motor vehicle production
This is a list of countries by motor vehicle production based on Organisation Internationale des Constructeurs d'Automobiles (OICA) and other data accessed in 2012 and earlier.
Figures include passenger cars, light commercial vehicles, minibuses, trucks, buses and coaches.[1]

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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby Beery1 » Thu 05 Sep 2013, 09:09:44

M_B_S wrote:You cannot produce one vehicle without (fossil) energy.


I never said you could. But hey, if you're claiming you can't, I'm pretty sure you can. You can produce a simple bicycle using non-fossil fuels. You could generate the heat necessary to make steel using charcoal-fired furnaces. You can make components using electricity from renewables, etc., etc. Heck, if you really wanted to, you could probably make a car without an ounce of fossil fuel energy using alternative materials for the plastic components. Sure, it would be hugely expensive, but it could be done.

It is clear (context) that the birth-rate means motor-vehicle.


The topic title says what it says. It doesn't specify 'vehicles with motors'. Although you only mentioned motor vehicles in your initial post, there is no context that makes it clear that you were talking ONLY about motor vehicles. All I was saying was that your original post shows automobile-centric bias. You just don't consider a bike to be a vehicle, so you didn't see the necessity of making the distinction.
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 06 Sep 2013, 04:51:19

1.000.000.000 => 2.000.000.000 ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJp-4NZKb-8

http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tr ... oncars.pdf

1 car is a small problem for the world but 1.000.000.000 ?

A Astroid with 1t mass is no match for mother earth but if it weights 1 billion tons you have a problem too.


What is the problem?



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The scale for the crude oil production (RHS) has been set in such a way that it matches the number of cars in 2008. We can clearly see that the estimate of growing car registrations far exceeds available crude oil supplies, no matter which of the 3 crude oil scenarios one assumes
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby Ron Patterson » Fri 06 Sep 2013, 10:28:16

If you count bicycles, tricycles and little red wagons perhaps you are right. But the number of cars produced every year is slightly less than half the number of births this year year.

http://www.worldometers.info/
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 06 Sep 2013, 10:47:29

Ron Patterson wrote:If you count bicycles, tricycles and little red wagons perhaps you are right. But the number of cars produced every year is slightly less than half the number of births this year year.

http://www.worldometers.info/



Ron it doesnt help when you ignore the facts.

http://oica.net/category/production-statistics/

2012 more motor cars + trucks were build than babys born.

Thats the truth and that counts.
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sun 08 Sep 2013, 15:45:32

Chinese cars use to have a use by date!
Not much point in maintaining a car if you know it'll be scrapped after a certain time.
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2013/01/15 ... scrapping/
Previously cars on the Chinese mainland had a worryingly short life span, small taxi vehicles were limited to 8 years, mid size rental vehicles were limited to 10 years and large scale vehicles to 12 years, city buses vehicles to 13 years and privately owned vehicles faced the crusher after 15 years on the road. New rules which were created via a partnership of the Ministry of Finance and Business, The National Development and Reform Committee, The National Police Department and the Ministry of Environment, indicate that cars will no longer be scrapped at 15 years on the road, and instead will see their lifespan expanded to 600,000km before they have to face being taken off the road.
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby Tarrel » Wed 09 Oct 2013, 14:03:46

It could be argued that a car has a lower carbon footprint than a child. So, isn't this a good thing? :)
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Re: 2012 more vehicels were "born" than children on earth

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 23 Dec 2013, 06:24:11

http://indianautosblog.com/2013/12/glob ... ord-109986

Bill Ford has said that within the next 20 years, overall demand for cars will touch 2 billion units per year from the current 1 billion units per year.
This statement by Ford Motor Company’s executive chairman could have very well made his great grandfather, Henry Ford, smile in his grave.


Read more: http://indianautosblog.com/2013/12/glob ... z2oI9YEUgy
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