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Re: Russia says sanctions puts space station astronauts at r

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 01 Dec 2016, 14:52:59

In related news the launch today is having problems. More at link below quote.

An automated spaceship carrying nearly 5,400 pounds of rocket fuel, food, water and a new Russian spacesuit blasted off from Kazakhstan on Thursday aboard a Soyuz booster on the way to replenish supply stocks on the International Space Station, but the mission may have run into trouble minutes after launch.

The Russian Progress MS-04 cargo craft lifted off from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan at 1451:52 GMT (9:51:52 a.m. EST; 8:51 p.m. Baikonur time) Thursday, roughly the moment the Earth’s rotation brings the remote Central Asia spaceport in line with the space station’s flight path.

The three-stage kerosene-fueled Soyuz booster heaved the cargo ship northeast from Baikonur and dropped its four strap-on boosters around two minutes after liftoff. An aerodynamic shield covering the Progress spacecraft jettisoned a few minutes later, followed by separation of the Soyuz core stage and ignition of the rocket’s third stage RD-0110 engine.

But Russian mission control lost stable contact with the rocket and its cargo payload soon after, and engineers were unable to confirm the success of the launch.

If all went according to plan, the Soyuz launcher should have deployed the cargo capsule into a preliminary orbit less than nine minutes into the flight. The Progress MS-04 spacecraft should have extended its power-generating solar panels and navigation antennas almost immediately after separating from the Soyuz upper stage.

But “ratty” telemetry from the spacecraft left ground controllers struggling to verify the status of the Progress cargo freighter. Rob Navias, a NASA TV commentator covering the launch, reported there was some indication the Soyuz third stage and Progress supply carrier may have prematurely separated.

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Re: Russia says sanctions puts space station astronauts at r

Unread postby dissident » Thu 01 Dec 2016, 19:28:13

No context, of course. The number of successful launches of this orbital freighter puts basically all other launch records to shame. Anyone who expects 100% reliability is living in a different dimension.

So, no, this is not an indication of "problems". It's a technical glitch that is expected to occur and will occur.
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Re: Are humans likely to colonize space?

Unread postby aldente » Sat 28 Jan 2017, 09:03:36

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Re: Are humans likely to colonize space?

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Re: Are humans likely to colonize space?

Unread postby MD » Sun 29 Jan 2017, 15:18:17

Humans will never colonize space. Our progeny might, if we live long enough to send them out. Use your imagination. The final outcome will either be a fizzle or a huge surprise. It's all speculation that makes great sci-fi fodder.
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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 02 Nov 2018, 21:43:29

The DAWN mission proving ion thrusters are an excellent way to travel for unmanned spacecraft has ended. The probe exhausted its maneuvering fuel and is no longer able to retain its signal lock with Earth, so even if it takes more wonderful data in we will never know it. Lots of pictures and even more text at link. Considering this probe was designed and built under the mantra 'faster cheaper better' the fact that it worked almost perfectly for 11 years and a month is a solid achievement.

NASA’s Dawn spacecraft runs out of fuel in the asteroid belt

NASA’s Dawn spacecraft ran out of fuel Wednesday and stopped transmitting to Earth, ending an 11-year mission that explored the two largest objects in the asteroid belt and set several records in the annals of space history.

Dawn failed to contact controllers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California during an overnight communications opportunity late Wednesday into early Thursday, and officials declared the mission over after evidence indicated the spacecraft ran out of hydrazine fuel.

The fuel depletion was long anticipated, and engineers expected Dawn to run out of hydrazine some time in September or October. Dawn apparently emptied its hydrazine tank some time Wednesday, rendering the spacecraft in orbit around the dwarf planet Ceres unable to keep its antenna pointed at Earth, or its solar arrays trained on the sun to generate electricity.

“Everybody rightly recognizes that it’s bittersweet, but I actually find it a lot sweeter than bitter,” said Marc Rayman, Dawn’s chief engineer at JPL, in an interview Thursday with Spaceflight Now. “This is the successful conclusion to a successful mission. To me, this is the best possible way for a mission to end because it was productive to the very end, and we squeezed as much as possible, even in principle, from the spacecraft, so I couldn’t be happier.”

“Today, we celebrate the end of our Dawn mission — its incredible technical achievements, the vital science it gave us, and the entire team who enabled the spacecraft to make these discoveries,” said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of NASA’s science mission directorate in Washington, in a statement Thursday. “The astounding images and data that Dawn collected from Vesta and Ceres are critical to understanding the history and evolution of our solar system.”

Launched from Cape Canaveral aboard a United Launch Alliance Delta 2 rocket on Sept. 27, 2007, the Dawn spacecraft traveled 4.3 billion miles (6.9 billion kilometers) through the inner solar system over the last 11 years, flying by Mars for a gravity assist maneuver in 2009 before reaching asteroid Vesta, the second-biggest object in the asteroid belt, in 2011.

The spacecraft was built by Northrop Grumman Innovation Systems, formerly known as Orbital ATK, and carried three instruments — a framing camera, and visible and infrared spectrometer, and a gamma ray and neutron detector — to investigate the geology, mineral make-up and water content of Vesta and Ceres.

Dawn orbited Vesta more than year, using its ion engines to spiral close to the giant asteroid, then to back away and escape Vesta’s gravity field for the journey to Ceres.

Dawn’s time at Vesta yielded several big surprises, chiefly with the discovery of evidence that liquid water may have once flowed on the asteroid, Raymond said.

Scientists already have some samples from Vesta in laboratories on Earth.

Before Dawn’s mission, researchers suspected a special class of rock samples called Howardite–Eucrite–Diogenite, or HED, meteorites that fell to Earth from space were chunks knocked off Vesta by an ancient interplanetary collision.

Dawn confirmed that hypothesis, and found Vesta likely once had global tectonic activity, something scientists did not expect on such a small world. Vesta measures around 359 miles (578 kilometers) in diameter along its longest axis.

The Dawn spacecraft’s German-built camera suite found pits in the bottom of several relatively fresh craters on Vesta, suggesting volumes of gas — perhaps water vapor — were released by violent impacts with other asteroids.

Dawn’s voyage from Vesta to Ceres took nearly three years, relying on the probe’s plasma propulsion system to reshape its trajectory through the asteroid belt to intercept its next target.

The maneuvers put Dawn on course to be captured by Ceres’s gravity field in March 2015.

Before Dawn’s arrival, the best imagery of Ceres from the Hubble Space Telescope gave scientists a glimpse of the mysterious mini-planet’s appearance. Scientists knew its size and shape, and they believed Ceres might contain a sub-glacial ocean.

Ceres astonished Dawn’s team almost as soon as the spacecraft moved within visual range.

“The big surprise during the early approach phase was that there is an area of high reflectivity near Occator (Crater),” said Andreas Nathues, lead investigator for the framing camera team at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, in a press conference last year. “It was so bright in the first images that we saturated all the chips (in the camera) because we didn’t expect such a bright feature on a dark surface.”

The bright spots in Occator Crater immediately triggered speculation that they might be icy patches, or perhaps an erupting volcano spewing water into space. Scientists initially favored the ice explanation, but a closer examination by Dawn’s science instruments revealed them to be deposits of sodium carbonate, a type of salt.

Scientists believe the bright salt deposits got to the surface when an ancient impactor struck Ceres, releasing melted rock and water in a complex hydrothermal or cryovolcanic system. Dawn also discovered Ahuna Mons, a three-mile-high (5-kilometer) peak that Dawn’s team believes is a dormant volcano that spewed watery material into the sky instead of rocky magma.

Dawn’s exploration of Ceres helped shape scientists’ conclusion that dwarf planets could have once harbored oceans, and contained the ingredients necessary to give rise to life.

Ceres spans around 590 miles (950 kilometers) in diameter, about one-thirteenth the size of Earth. It’s bigger than Saturn’s moon Enceladus, which hides a global ocean under its icy shell warmed by the constant tug of Saturn’s gravity on the moon’s interior, a phenomenon known as tidal heating.

“There is an affinity between some of the icy moons and Ceres, and certainly they do bear resemblances,” said Carol Raymond, Dawn’s principal investigator at JPL, in an interview with Spaceflight Now last year. “But since Ceres now lives in such a warm environment relative to those objects, it looks very different. Its ocean froze out. It doesn’t have any tidal heat. So it’s ocean is frozen, and its surface is baking relative to the icy moons. The way it formed, what it formed of, appears to be similar, but the evolutionary paths are quite different.”

Dawn’s prime mission ended in 2016, and NASA approved an extension to continue the probe’s exploration of Ceres, the biggest world between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. Senior agency officials did not approve a proposal to fire Dawn’s trusty ion engines and escape Ceres to head for a flyby of an asteroid, concluding there was more science to be gained at Ceres than at another target.

Dawn almost never made it to the launch pad.

Cost overruns and difficulties with Dawn’s electric propulsion system prompted NASA to cancel the mission in March 2006. The space agency reinstated the mission less than a month later after an appeal from managers at JPL.

“There were a couple of dramatic points,” Raymond said last year. “The first was right before launch when we learned that we were launching with defective reaction wheels, and there was nothing we could do about it. We went into a mode where we were trying to preserve wheel lifetime.”

Three of the spacecraft’s four reaction wheels failed during the mission, forcing engineers to devise a new way to control the probe’s pointing with a combination of momentum wheels and hydrazine-fueled thrusters. The spinning gyro-like wheels are designed to change their spin rate to pivot the spacecraft.

With the failure of a third reaction wheel last year, Dawn started consuming more hydrazine fuel for pointing control. The probe launched with around 100 pounds (45 kilograms) of hydrazine to feed its thrusters.

Dawn’s enduring legacy

Rayman said Dawn’s mission of exploration will leave an enduring scientific and engineering legacy.

“In science, it’s the unveiling of two of the last uncharted worlds in the inner solar system,” Rayman said. “Vesta and Ceres are the two largest bodies between Mars and Jupiter, and prior to the Dawn mission, Ceres was the largest object between the sun and Pluto that a spacecraft had not yet visited.

“The main asteroid belt has truly millions of objects in it, and yet 45 percent of that total mass is contained in Vesta and Ceres, which Dawn singlehandedly explored,” Rayman said. “I think that’s pretty impressive, and it showed us that Vesta is not just an asteroid like the others. A lot of people call it a big rock or something like that. Geologically, it’s more closely related to the terrestrial plants, one of which right underneath our feet. It’s got a dense iron-nickel core surrounded by a mantle, surrounded by a crust, and it’s more akin to the terrestrial planets than it is to the rocks we think of as asteroids.”

Dawn carried three ion engines to push the spacecraft around the solar system, setting a record for the longest run time on a plasma propulsion system in space.

Using a combination of xenon fuel and electrical power to generate low levels of thrust, ion engines are not as powerful as conventional thrusters, but they produce more of an impulse over time, providing a leap in fuel efficiency for space missions.

Dawn’s ion propulsion system took four days to accelerate the spacecraft by 60 mph (96 kilometers per hour), but the probe thrust with its ion engines for 5.9 years of cumulative operation, changing the craft’s velocity by 25,700 mph (41,400 kilometers) over the course of its mission.

That capability enabled Dawn to become the first spacecraft to orbit two solar system destinations outside of the Earth and the moon.


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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby Zarquon » Fri 08 Feb 2019, 17:54:10

Microgravity and the human brain don't get long well.

From the New England Journal of Medicine:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1705129

Summary, 2017:
"We used magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to compare images of 18 astronauts’ brains before and after missions of long duration, involving stays on the International Space Station, and of 16 astronauts’ brains before and after missions of short duration, involving participation in the Space Shuttle Program. Images were interpreted by readers who were unaware of the flight duration. We also generated paired preflight and postflight MRI cine clips derived from high-resolution, three-dimensional imaging of 12 astronauts after long-duration flights and from 6 astronauts after short-duration flights in order to assess the extent of narrowing of CSF spaces and the displacement of brain structures. We also compared preflight ventricular volumes with postflight ventricular volumes by means of an automated analysis of T1-weighted MRIs. The main prespecified analyses focused on the change in the volume of the central sulcus, the change in the volume of CSF spaces at the vertex, and vertical displacement of the brain.

Narrowing of the central sulcus occurred in 17 of 18 astronauts after long-duration flights (mean flight time, 164.8 days) and in 3 of 16 astronauts after short-duration flights (mean flight time, 13.6 days) (P<0.001). Cine clips from a subgroup of astronauts showed an upward shift of the brain after all long-duration flights (12 astronauts) but not after short-duration flights (6 astronauts) and narrowing of CSF spaces at the vertex after all long-duration flights (12 astronauts) and in 1 of 6 astronauts after short-duration flights. Three astronauts in the long-duration group had optic-disk edema, and all 3 had narrowing of the central sulcus. A cine clip was available for 1 of these 3 astronauts, and the cine clip showed upward shift of the brain."

A year later, longer-term effects have been studied:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1809011

"Ten cosmonauts, who spent an average of 189 days in space, had changes in brain volumes — mainly decreased cortical volume and increased CSF subarachnoid and ventricular volume — with some changes persisting up to an average of 7 months after return to Earth."

The rest is behind a paywall, but I've read summaries (in German): the effects of a few months in space last for more than half a ayear after returning, include vertigo and impaired vision and are severe enough that a manned mission to Mars becomes pretty unlikely.

Perhaps a long mission would be possible if the ship was creating pseudogravity through rotation, but it would have to be pretty large, or the difference in acceleration in the legs and head would open up a new can of neurological worms.

What that means for low-grav Moon or Mars "villages", where no pseudogravity would be available as a workaround, no one knows.
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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 09 Feb 2019, 14:13:56

Zarquon wrote:Microgravity and the human brain don't get long well.

From the New England Journal of Medicine:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1705129

Summary, 2017:
"We used magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to compare images of 18 astronauts’ brains before and after missions of long duration, involving stays on the International Space Station, and of 16 astronauts’ brains before and after missions of short duration, involving participation in the Space Shuttle Program. Images were interpreted by readers who were unaware of the flight duration. We also generated paired preflight and postflight MRI cine clips derived from high-resolution, three-dimensional imaging of 12 astronauts after long-duration flights and from 6 astronauts after short-duration flights in order to assess the extent of narrowing of CSF spaces and the displacement of brain structures. We also compared preflight ventricular volumes with postflight ventricular volumes by means of an automated analysis of T1-weighted MRIs. The main prespecified analyses focused on the change in the volume of the central sulcus, the change in the volume of CSF spaces at the vertex, and vertical displacement of the brain.

Narrowing of the central sulcus occurred in 17 of 18 astronauts after long-duration flights (mean flight time, 164.8 days) and in 3 of 16 astronauts after short-duration flights (mean flight time, 13.6 days) (P<0.001). Cine clips from a subgroup of astronauts showed an upward shift of the brain after all long-duration flights (12 astronauts) but not after short-duration flights (6 astronauts) and narrowing of CSF spaces at the vertex after all long-duration flights (12 astronauts) and in 1 of 6 astronauts after short-duration flights. Three astronauts in the long-duration group had optic-disk edema, and all 3 had narrowing of the central sulcus. A cine clip was available for 1 of these 3 astronauts, and the cine clip showed upward shift of the brain."

A year later, longer-term effects have been studied:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1809011

"Ten cosmonauts, who spent an average of 189 days in space, had changes in brain volumes — mainly decreased cortical volume and increased CSF subarachnoid and ventricular volume — with some changes persisting up to an average of 7 months after return to Earth."

The rest is behind a paywall, but I've read summaries (in German): the effects of a few months in space last for more than half a ayear after returning, include vertigo and impaired vision and are severe enough that a manned mission to Mars becomes pretty unlikely.

Perhaps a long mission would be possible if the ship was creating pseudogravity through rotation, but it would have to be pretty large, or the difference in acceleration in the legs and head would open up a new can of neurological worms.

What that means for low-grav Moon or Mars "villages", where no pseudogravity would be available as a workaround, no one knows.


Before you run too far ahead of the science there are a couple of important things you skimmed right over.

First off, the brain changes were not so far as the science shows, permanent. They resolved to the 'normal' state within seven months, which is roughly the same duration the astronauts/cosmonauts studied had spent in microgravity.

Second, it is relatively easy to design a coupled weight rotating sleep cell/office space where the crew would rest and/or sit at a desk and experience relatively high 'earth normal' acceleration. You do not need a giant wheel that lets the crew jog all the way around the circumference as so often portrayed in movies, you just need a long arm that has a chamber on the end while the arm rotates around the core of the vehicle. The arm can be long enough to have a chamber on each end for counter balancing and a simple chamber for working on one end and a simpler chamber for sleeping on the other would let the crew work and interact all day, climb up the ladder way from the work station and back down the ladder way on the other side to the sleep station for rest. In this fashion the crew would be under heavy simulated g force most of the time and presumably not suffer from micro g effects that take days to accumulate.

As for colonists on Luna/Mars there have been exactly zero studies of the effects of long duration stays in low to moderate g fields so we have no idea of it will even be a problem. However if it is a problem there is nothing to stop the installation of a swing arm like the one proposed above for sleeping quarters on any such colony. Once the swing arm arrangement is built and spun up it would take very little power input to keep it spinning at the correct rate, adjusting for mas changes as people entered and left via the ladder way to the hub where they would enter and exit.

If you can ever ridden on an amusement part ride like the SCAT or Gravity Wheel you know that it does not take a large machine to spin a lot of prone people up for purposes of sleeping under acceleration effects. Image
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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby dissident » Sun 10 Feb 2019, 14:10:27

Yes, it is time to stop skimping on human spacecraft. If humans are sent to Mars, then they need a rotating crew compartment with a 1 g acceleration. Instead of trying to launch a 300 ton spacecraft with some huge never-to-be-built rocket, assemble it in space using existing HLV capacity. And the use of nuclear power is essential regardless of all the Earth-bound hysteria about it.
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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 10 Feb 2019, 16:51:55

https://www.seeker.com/space/here-are-t ... nauts-face

NASA Is Trying to Keep These Five Things From Killing Astronauts
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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby dissident » Mon 11 Feb 2019, 01:10:11

onlooker wrote:https://www.seeker.com/space/here-are-the-five-biggest-dangers-nasa-astronauts-face

NASA Is Trying to Keep These Five Things From Killing Astronauts
Solutions?


I forgot to mention #1 in your list. Any travel outside the Earth's magnetosphere for prolonged periods (e.g. 6 months to Mars) would expose astronauts to solar coronal mass ejection events. These are basically bursts of x-rays followed by proton and electron fluxes with much higher energies than the typical solar wind. For the protons we are talking about 10s and 100s of GeV. This is enough to penetrated 1/4 inch of aluminum and enter deep into the human body (not just the surface like with the usual low-energy alpha emissions from radioactive decay of some isotopes). Electrons are also energized and act like beta radiation penetrating the space capsule.

Lead shielding is not going to be used. So the rotating at 1 g crew quarters also need a magnetic torus shield. The rotating compartment arrangement actually facilitates a magnetic dynamo function.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-MSiQTXIG0

Ignore the kooky "perpetual motion" nonsense in the video. But you can see how the rotation of the crew quarters could be generated via a "magnetic vortex" which also act to trap the electrons and protons in and deflect them to the axis of rotation.

Of course, for X-rays the astronauts are out of luck. But the overall radiation dosage is greatly reduced.

Something that is better still, is to have active (nuclear driven) ion propulsion all the way. So instead of spending over six months to get to Mars, it would take about one to one and half months. This does not require enormous amounts of thrust. A megawatt power plant would be sufficient.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... s-to-mars/

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Russi ... t_999.html

Cooling nuclear reactors in space is a major problem since radiation is very inefficient at heat transfer and there is no medium for conduction and convection. So a lot of effort is going into designing evapouration type cooling.
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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 11 Feb 2019, 04:39:51

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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 23 Nov 2021, 22:14:32

Space.com wrote:Hubble Space Telescope team revives powerful camera instrument after glitch

In late October, the famous space observatory suffered a problem with the synchronization of its internal messaging, causing all five of its main scientific instruments to go into a protective "safe mode."

Hubble team members managed to bring one instrument, the Advanced Camera for Surveys (ACS), back online on Nov. 7. And they just scored another success, recovering the observatory's Wide Field Camera 3 (WFC3) on Sunday (Nov. 21), NASA officials wrote in an update Monday (Nov. 22). The WFC3 is scheduled to resume science observations on Tuesday (Nov. 23), agency officials added.

The Hubble team recovered the ACS and WFC3 without making significant changes to their parameters. But engineers have been devising and testing potential changes as they've worked to bring the instruments back, while investigating the root cause of the synchronization issue as well.

"These changes would allow the instruments to handle several missed synchronization messages while continuing to operate normally if they occur in the future," NASA officials wrote in Monday's update.

"These changes will first be applied to another instrument, the Cosmic Origins Spectrograph, to further protect its sensitive far-ultraviolet detector," they added. "It will take the team several weeks to complete the testing and upload the changes to the spacecraft."

The WFC3 is Hubble's most heavily used instrument, representing more than one-third of its observing time, NASA officials said. The WFC3 was installed by spacewalking astronauts in 2009, during the last of five servicing missions to Hubble.

Those missions repaired, maintained and upgraded the telescope, which launched to Earth orbit in April 1990. Such attention explains how Hubble has remained so active and productive for more than 30 years.

Still, the scope has begun to show some signs of its advanced age recently. For example, the entire observatory went offline for more than a month this summer after suffering a glitch with its main payload computer. The Hubble team eventually fixed that problem by switching to backup hardware.

Hubble's five main science instruments today are the ACS, WFC3, the Cosmic Origins Spectrograph, the Space Telescope Imaging Spectrograph and the Near Infrared Camera and Multi-Object Spectrometer. The telescope's fine guidance sensors can collect scientific data as well.


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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 24 Nov 2021, 09:00:19

Tanada,
Do you think we would replace Hubble?
Could we?
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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 24 Nov 2021, 11:28:04

Newfie wrote:Tanada,
Do you think we would replace Hubble?
Could we?


1) Should we replace or at least service HST to maintain its scientific capacity? Yes absolutely.
2)Could we replace Hubble? Well if we don't do something in the next few years it will deorbit and burn up in the atmosphere. Now that the Dragon launch system has been proven to work NASA could design an HST replacement with better capabilities and launch it into orbit. Unfortunately NASA has shifted most of its effort to the Webb Space Telescope that is scheduled to launch next month. The Webb scope is designed to use different electromagnetic frequencies and in part it will view many of the same things HST has viewed in those different frequencies to make a more complete picture for Astrnomic researchers.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/webb/main/index.html

The thing is HST was deliberately designed to orbit undisturbed for years at a time between service and boost missions using the Space Shuttle. Because the Shuttle was relegated to museum pieces in 2011 servicing, which in essence means replacing the solar panels and switching out existing components with new ones to restore full function would be a lot more complicated. That doesn't mean it is impossible, we could send up a Dragon crew capsule with just two people and the rest of the weight allowance dedicated to servicing gear and do the servicing in probably two or three separate missions. Alternately we could send up a full crew with one launch and a cargo capsule with all the equipment on a second launch and do all the servicing at one time. We could even attach an Electrodynamic Tether to the HST that would allow the new solar panels to power an altitude boost that would be very gentle and therefore unlikely to jar any of its electronics/gyroscopes/mirrors as it shifted the orbit back up to a longer duration altitude around 1,000 km. Once it falls below 400 km atmospheric drag becomes a serious issue and within 9-18 months it will deorbit and be lost. Right now its low point is 535 km but as time passes this will continue to decrease. HST was originally placed in a 615 km orbit altitude and was later boosted back up to that altitude in two of the servicing missions. The last service mission was in 2009.

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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 04 Feb 2022, 12:47:34

The Space Station’s About To Die And Now We Know When, Where And How
NASA is plotting out the final days of the International Space Station.

The ISS ― first crewed in 2000 ― will be extended for use until 2030, or 15 years beyond its initial life expectancy. Then, in January 2031, it’ll be sent crashing into the ocean.

NASA said the ISS alone doesn’t have the propulsion capabilities needed to complete the de-orbit, and will require visiting spacecraft. The propulsion from those spacecraft ― potentially three Russian Progress spacecraft ― will be used to force the ISS out of orbit and aim it at the South Pacific Oceanic Uninhabited Area, around Point Nemo, the location in the ocean most distant from land.

The remoteness makes it a frequent target for decommissioned spacecraft, with NASA calling it a “spacecraft cemetery.” The charred remains of an estimated 250 to 300 decommissioned spacecraft rest beneath the waters there.

The private sector will then take over low-Earth orbit destinations “with NASA’s assistance.”

“We look forward to sharing our lessons learned and operations experience with the private sector to help them develop safe, reliable and cost-effective destinations in space,” Phil McAlister, NASA’s director of commercial space, said in a news release.

NASA also plans a return to human visits to the moon, with the goal of building a base there. The remaining years of the ISS as well as those lunar missions will be used to prepare for a human mission to Mars.

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Kind of arrogant the way the article is written given that 1/3rd of the station is Russian and another 20% belongs to various other nations outside the USA. Reading this you would think is was a strictly USA object and only NASA provides access when from 2011 to 2021 the USA was totally dependent on foreign spacecraft to shuffle crews to and from the station. Also to provide half the crews and all the supplies during that decade when NASA had no human access to space.

It is also very misleading to claim the ISS can not do a controlled deorbit with its own systems. You simply need to wait until the atmospheric drag has lowered the orbit to the altitude where the onboard thrusters can do the job. That does require you to accept nature's timing on what day the deorbit is performed, but that is a far cry from the human arrogance of saying 'we want it done on date X so we are going to do that no matter how much it increases the expense of doing it our way'. Must be nice to work for a government that makes its money out thing electronic digits and has it to waste when it is not remotely necessary to do so.
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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby Subjectivist » Wed 10 May 2023, 20:05:14

Cosmonauts Caught Littering Directly Into Space During Spacewalk
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After completing a seven-hour spacewalk to move an airlock from one part of the International Space Station to another, Russian cosmonauts Sergey Prokopyev and Dmitri Petelin intentionally yeeted a sizeable bundle of discarded hardware drift away into space.
"Bye bye," said one of the cosmonauts after letting go of the bundle during a livestream of the spacewalk. "Just flies beautifully."
While that sound feel like the equivalent of throwing trash out a car window, experts say the bundle will harmlessly burn up in the Earth's atmosphere, the BBC reports — effectively using the atmosphere as an enormous trash incinerator.
While it was an intentional act, experts have warned that errant pieces of astronaut equipment could add to our existing space junk problem.
Drifting Off

It's not always intentional. For instance, NASA astronaut Ed White infamously lost a spare glove while venturing outside of the Gemini 4 spacecraft back in 1965. In 2017, astronauts Peggy Whitson and Shane Kimbrough lost a bag containing a debris shield during a spacewalk.
Still, burning up junk in the atmosphere has become a well-established convention for the space station. Crew members regularly load their trash into a Cygnus cargo spacecraft to have it and the garbage inside of it burn up on re-entry.
Other manmade objects orbiting the planet, including SpaceX's broadband-beaming internet satellites, are also designed to burn up in the atmosphere at the end of their lifespan.
Space Littering

Nonetheless, something about watching cosmonauts send a giant pack of discarded hardware spinning into the distance feels off.
After all, the Earth's orbit has become incredibly cluttered over the years as human space exploration efforts have increased.
The Department of Defense is tracking more than 23,000 pieces of debris larger than the size of a softball in the Earth's orbit. Experts estimate there are some 100 million pieces of debris roughly one millimeter in diameter littering the space around our planet.
While that's small, they can still do considerable damage. The ISS has had to make several maneuvers over the years to dodge incoming space junk.
Whether the station will ever find itself in the ironic position of encountering errant hardware left behind by its own spacewalking astronauts, though, remains to be seen.


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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby ralfy » Thu 11 May 2023, 19:45:30

"William Shatner: My Trip to Space Filled Me With ‘Overwhelming Sadness’ (EXCLUSIVE)"

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I had thought that going into space would be the ultimate catharsis of that connection I had been looking for between all living things—that being up there would be the next beautiful step to understanding the harmony of the universe. In the film “Contact,” when Jodie Foster’s character goes to space and looks out into the heavens, she lets out an astonished whisper, “They should’ve sent a poet.” I had a different experience, because I discovered that the beauty isn’t out there, it’s down here, with all of us. Leaving that behind made my connection to our tiny planet even more profound.

It was among the strongest feelings of grief I have ever encountered. The contrast between the vicious coldness of space and the warm nurturing of Earth below filled me with overwhelming sadness. Every day, we are confronted with the knowledge of further destruction of Earth at our hands: the extinction of animal species, of flora and fauna . . . things that took five billion years to evolve, and suddenly we will never see them again because of the interference of mankind. It filled me with dread. My trip to space was supposed to be a celebration; instead, it felt like a funeral.
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Re: Space The Final Frontier!

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 12 May 2023, 04:22:20

the ground crew kept reassuring us along the way. “Everything’s going to be fine. Don’t worry about anything. It’s all okay.” Sure, easy for them to say, I thought. They get to stay here on the ground.


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