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Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby Graeme » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 11:34:45

Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

A new multi-disciplinary study led by the University of Maryland calls for immediate action by government, private and commercial sectors to reduce vulnerability to the imminent threat of global peak oil, which could put the entire US economy and other major industrial economies at risk.

The peer-reviewed study contradicts the recent claims within the oil industry that peak oil has been indefinitely offset by shale gas and other unconventional oil and gas resources. A report by the World Energy Council (WEC) last month, for instance, stated that peak oil was unlikely to be realised within the next forty years at least. This is due to global reserves being 25 per cent higher than in 1993. According to the WEC report, 80% of global energy is currently produced by either oil, gas or coal, a situation which is likely to continue for the foreseeable future.

The new University of Maryland study, in contrast, conducts a review of the scientific literature on global oil production and argues that the bulk of independent, credible studies indicate that a "production peak for conventional oil [is] likely before 2030", with a "significant risk" it could occur "before 2020." Unconventional oil such as Canadian tar sands is "unlikely to expand enough to fill the gap", and this also applies to "shale oil and gas." Shale wells, the study argues, "reach their maximum production levels (peaks) much earlier than conventional ones and are therefore difficult to operate profitably."


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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby Graeme » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 12:08:53

Here is link to paper.
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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby Pops » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 12:43:37

I've been saying for a while and Laharrere has been saying since way back that there will be the conventional peak, which we've pretty well passed and there will be other peaks of the various heavy and x-heavy, x-tight, etc somewhere down the line. The problem is the conventional oil peak is now, around the 75mmbopd level and the x-heavy x-deep x-cold etc will not be able to ramp up fast enough to offset conventional decline. They will peak much lower and farther out in the future with a flatter curve than conventional. Those peaks are the little ones in the chart on the right here:

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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 12:46:32

Pstarr – Amazing isn’t it: even a group that appears to be warning about the FUTURE dangers of PO apparently doesn’t have much of a clue as to what has already happened. Such as “…which could put the entire US economy and other major industrial economies at risk.”. Could put? So having the global oil bill increase from about $950 billion/yr to almost $3 trillion in less than 10 years hasn’t been a problem for the “major industrialized economies”? They might want to chat with the folks with the PIIGS as well as the millions of American that collected unemployment checks for the first time.

And there’s the constant confusion between reserves and production rates: “This is due to global reserves being 25 per cent higher than in 1993”. And then there’s: “Shale wells, the study argues, "reach their maximum production levels (peaks) much earlier than conventional ones and are therefore difficult to operate profitably." I won’t pick on them too much about this because it’s really a rather technical issue. Unconventional wells are no more difficult to “operate profitably” than conventional wells. Both are subject to the same requirement of higher oil prices to justify their development. There’s a reason most of the gain in US oil production has come from the unconventionals: they are the majority of reserves left that are profitable at today’s prices. The oil patch didn't have an hidden inventory of conventional wells that would have been profitable to drill at lower oil prices...we already drilled all those.

As you know I drill for conventional reserves and constantly struggle to find ones that work even at current high prices. Not any less difficult to find profitability…actually more difficult to find them in quantity. Had we not gotten lucky a year ago and signed on to a couple of outside operated JV's that were planning new 3d seismic programs to generate conventional oil prospects my company probably would have been shut down by now. No point in paying me and my cohorts abscene salaries if we aren't drilling enough wells. LOL.

And as you imply they are a tad late to the party. But at least they made finally it.
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Unread postby Northwest Resident » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 14:09:53

What is most interesting to me regarding peak oil and its potential consequences is how the U.S. Military views the subject, and what they are doing to plan for it.

This, from the Guardian in 2010:

The US military has warned that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political impact.

The energy crisis outlined in a Joint Operating Environment report from the US Joint Forces Command, comes as the price of petrol in Britain reaches record levels and the cost of crude is predicted to soon top $100 a barrel.

"By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day," says the report, which has a foreword by a senior commander, General James N Mattis.


The Joint Operating Environment report from the US Joint Forces Command, in case you haven't read it, is put together by professional military and strategic thinkers. Although I think some of what is in this report falls into the "keep the BAU dream going" category, there is still some extremely relevant information to be gleaned from how the military is viewing not just peak oil, but climate change as well -- both inextricably linked -- and the impact those two primary issues of our time have on strategic military planning.

2015 -- sounds about right to me. The new year 2014 is rapidly approaching, and there is very good reason to believe that 2014 could end up being the final wind-up to some very toxic events that have been in the pipeline for a long time, and are heading our way fast.

http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/joe2010.pdf
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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby Pops » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 14:28:51

Interestingly, PO.com is blocked on some mil computers.

Just thought I'd throw that out there, LOL
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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 14:44:02

Waiting to hear from shorty........ :P
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Unread postby careinke » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 15:08:36

Thanks for the link N R. I plan on reading it soon. I wonder if there is an updated version? Keep in mind the military likes to plan for EVERYTHING. It gives them something to deviate from. :-D On the other hand that is why they can respond so quickly when asked.

I know a lot of the bases are trying to become more self sustainable. Joint Base Lewis/McChord up this way is heavily involved in this.
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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby Northwest Resident » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 15:51:19

carinke -- indeed, the military likes to and in fact MUST plan for everything. Within that document, a detailed section even confesses to this fact and describes in detail why they must do so. I learned from this document how much importance the military places on historical events to shape their future planning. There are numerous examples in that document where the prevailing political/military views of the time are described, along with the catastrophic consequences of those incorrect assumptions and views. It seems to me that the military is trying very hard not to get caught in a situation where they are totally unprepared, while admitting at every step that it is simply impossible to make detailed plans for everything that might happen. That being said, they were fairly specific about the 2015 year, and I think with good reason. Finally, another thing I learned when I googled for "U. S. Military plans for peak oil": It appears that this is not the only detailed military document that contemplates having to deal with peak oil AND climate change scenarios in the very near future. It appears that numerous high-ranking military officers are now frequently attending peak oil and climate change conferences, looking to gather as much information as possible. The relevance is, from my point of view, that while the politicians and the financial "geniuses" can and will lie and propagandize and engage in all sorts of tricks to obscure the truth, the military command seems to me to be directly and purposely preparing for some major upheaval due to energy shortfalls and climate change. And, may I say, so should we as private individuals.
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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby John_A » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 17:11:41

Graeme wrote:Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

A new multi-disciplinary study led by the University of Maryland calls for immediate action by government, private and commercial sectors to reduce vulnerability to the imminent threat of global peak oil, which could put the entire US economy and other major industrial economies at risk.

The peer-reviewed study contradicts the recent claims within the oil industry that peak oil has been indefinitely offset by shale gas and other unconventional oil and gas resources. A report by the World Energy Council (WEC) last month, for instance, stated that peak oil was unlikely to be realised within the next forty years at least. This is due to global reserves being 25 per cent higher than in 1993. According to the WEC report, 80% of global energy is currently produced by either oil, gas or coal, a situation which is likely to continue for the foreseeable future.

The new University of Maryland study, in contrast, conducts a review of the scientific literature on global oil production and argues that the bulk of independent, credible studies indicate that a "production peak for conventional oil [is] likely before 2030", with a "significant risk" it could occur "before 2020." Unconventional oil such as Canadian tar sands is "unlikely to expand enough to fill the gap", and this also applies to "shale oil and gas." Shale wells, the study argues, "reach their maximum production levels (peaks) much earlier than conventional ones and are therefore difficult to operate profitably."


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Sounds pretty bad. Like last time it was imminent I suppose. Too much to ask that folks STOP this kind of nonsense already and recognize that Rockman is right, and the POD effects cascading across the planet since the 70's signifies that we've already met the enemy, and he is us?

So oil reserves have increased. Again. And production has increased. Again. And peak is going to happen. Again. Soon "significant risk" will be translated on peakoil2.com into TEOTWAEKI!!!! LATOC2!! We must eat our neighbors! How about we schedule the next rinse and repeat cycle just a LITTLE bit farther into the future this time, like after all of us have died, so we won't have to be amazed at the number of folks who have the attention span of a goldfish?
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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 17:32:09

Why ain't gas $1 gal now, if production has been increasing - shorty.
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Unread postby BobInget » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 18:34:58

I always get a good laugh when a decent oil find is announced. Such a rush to buy stock in a group of companies who will not see revenues for years, even decades (from this particular discovery). Investors soon forget new discoveries concentrating on month to month earnings from legacy wells. Investors will more often punish
oil companies for spending too much developing, even improving
newer, as yet unproductive positions.
When oil prices fell in 2008, so called energy experts figuring oil was finished, fled in droves. Naturally, new projects were put on hold to enable companies to carry on and stay in business. Many who over
reached, paid dearly for property that was no longer profitable, did go under or suffered terrible losses of personal and momentum.

More evidence, if we needed it, years of affordable petroleum are past.. Or, are they? Because American oil and gas men are a tough,
dedicated, entirely vertically directed, (to rest oil and gas from its hiding places) these optimistic fellows never believed 'peak oil' at least on their chosen properties.
Along comes supercomputers, 3/D 'look down' technology. A few American oil men recognized these tools at once because they had been dreaming of just such magic for years. For the first time
drillers could steer the bit from the surface like a remote controlled
drone.

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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby John_A » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 18:51:25

vision-master wrote:Why ain't gas $1 gal now, if production has been increasing - shorty.


If you are waiting for gasoline to drop back to $1/gal shortly, I would volunteer that you might be sorely disappointed. Looks to me like a new floor is being established for oil prices, with the marginal barrel in the US dictating the price.
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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby John_A » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 18:54:49

BobInget wrote:
When oil prices fell in 2008, so called energy experts figuring oil was finished, fled in droves. Naturally, new projects were put on hold to enable companies to carry on and stay in business. Many who over
reached, paid dearly for property that was no longer profitable, did go under or suffered terrible losses of personal and momentum.


Versus those of us who knew that dumping $$ into the low spot in the market could be wildly profitable. Throw in some individual stock picks specifically to siphon off what was an obvious peak oil fear meme, and it translates to a solid giggle at those buying gold or running for the farm back then for certain.

Pioneer and Continental being two of those stocks.
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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 19 Nov 2013, 21:51:03

Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1190117.html#p1190117
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 20 Nov 2013, 00:45:00

C-a: Actually that looked like a very valid projection based upon the assumption of oil less than $50/bbl as it was priced at the time. Just as valid as current projections based upon $100/bbl oil. Again no one's projection of future oil production rate is complete unless the price assumption is included. If not included every prediction, be it increasing or decreasing, isn't worth a crap. The validity of all projections is based upon being able to accurately predict oil prices 10+ years out. So far I don't recall anyone being worth a crap at doing so consistently for the last 38 years I've been working in the oil patch. Hell...if someone could consistently predict oil prices just 6 months in advance they would be worth $100+ million in less than two years by playing the futures market. Any ass (including the Rickman) can predict future oil prices (and thus production rates) if they don't have anything to loose if they are wrong. As they say: no guts...no glory.

Curious: how many folks here actually risk their own hard earned $'s betting on oil future prices? The Rockman? Hell no...I ain't got the guts. LOL.
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Unread postby Tanada » Wed 20 Nov 2013, 07:26:13

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vision-master wrote:Why ain't gas $1 gal now, if production has been increasing - shorty.


If you are waiting for gasoline to drop back to $1/gal shortly, I would volunteer that you might be sorely disappointed. Looks to me like a new floor is being established for oil prices, with the marginal barrel in the US dictating the price.


Why do you think the USA is dictating the floor price and not China? China now imports more petroleum than the USA does, and because they are willing to pay more than the USA to do so IMO they are the ones setting the international price. The world price is the one that really matters now, we are a true global economy remember? So long as China is willing and able to pay $110.00 or $125.00 or whatever their cap price is the USA price is just a lagging indicator. Rockman and Pops have me convinced that lag is going to all but disappear very soon when the glut at Cushing is eliminated. We saw evidence of that earlier this year when some of the new pipelines opened for business, the WTI and international prices got very close together for a month until the traders figured out only part of the Glut was being relieved at that point.
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Re: Imminent peak oil could burst US, global economic bubble

Unread postby americandream » Wed 20 Nov 2013, 20:44:01

Wrong. America (and its parent, the UK) won the Cold War and invented China out of its Maoist agrarian base. It was and is Amercan and British capitalists who fund China's manufacturing, it is America and Britain which remain the conduits though which global commodities are priced.

Think of China as a large offshore British and American factory and you will understand why the power dynamic appears skewed. This is the case with Africa, the rest of Asia, Russia, non-Anglo-Saxon Europe...the world in fact bar a few wild cars like Zimbabwe and Cuba.

American and British capitalists have the world by the balls. The sun has not set on Victoria's empire.




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John_A wrote:
vision-master wrote:Why ain't gas $1 gal now, if production has been increasing - shorty.


If you are waiting for gasoline to drop back to $1/gal shortly, I would volunteer that you might be

sorely disappointed. Looks to me like a new floor is being established for oil prices, with the marginal barrel in the US dictating the price.


Why do you think the USA is dictating the floor price and not China? China now imports more petroleum than the USA does, and because they are willing to pay more than the USA to do so IMO they are the ones setting the international price. The world price is the one that really matters now, we are a true global economy remember? So long as China is willing and able to pay $110.00 or $125.00 or whatever their cap price is the USA price is just a lagging indicator. Rockman and Pops have me convinced that lag is going to all but disappear very soon when the glut at Cushing is eliminated. We saw evidence of that earlier this year when some of the new pipelines opened for business, the WTI and international prices got very close together for a month until the traders figured out only part of the Glut was being relieved at that point.
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