[Loki]

Wow, here we go again, libs and cons arguing over who burned the house down.

One supplied the gasoline and the other the matches.

Feh.

Yep. The thing that irritates me the most in "discussions" like this is the big fat elephant stinking up the room, i.e., military (over)spending. So-called "fiscal conservatives" are perfectly fine with printing trillions of dollars or borrowing it from China so they can fund unnecessary wars or hand it over to some war profiteer, er, "defense contractor."

Obama and most other Dems, of course, are happy to play the same game. He's cutting social programs to the bone, but the outrageously bloated Pentagon budget is completely off the table. And nary a peep from other Democrats. Brilliant.

Tweedle dee, Tweedle dum. At least the Republicans are fairly honest about their war-mongering and their contempt for the non-rich, even if they are shameless hypocrites when it comes to fiscal issues.

[Ludi]

Obama and most other Dems, of course, are happy to play the same game. He's cutting social programs to the bone, but the outrageously bloated Pentagon budget is completely off the table. And nary a peep from other Democrats. Brilliant.

Just goes to show how far to the right even the Democrats have gone - the military industrial complex is more important than social programs.

But Obama is a socialist.

Oh, and a Kenyan.

[mos6507]

Yes, Evil. Why do you rule out fighting to stop it?

Even if I did support that sort of thing do you think I'm going to have a little open chat about targeting the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, or John Boehner? Come on, now. The tea party were elected. We get the government we deserve.

Really, the tone of this forum is getting kind of disturbing lately. If you want to break off into revolutionary militia, go do it somewhere else, otherwise you WILL definitely get a jack-boot on your neck.

[Loki]

Obama and most other Dems, of course, are happy to play the same game. He's cutting social programs to the bone, but the outrageously bloated Pentagon budget is completely off the table. And nary a peep from other Democrats. Brilliant.

Just goes to show how far to the right even the Democrats have gone - the military industrial complex is more important than social programs.

But Obama is a socialist.

Oh, and a Kenyan.

And possibly the Anti-Christ. Damn, the dude's got a lot on his plate, maybe I should be a little easier on him. I can't imagine having the responsibility of being both the president of the United States AND the Anti-Christ. That's a lot of pressure.

[careinke]

Obama and most other Dems, of course, are happy to play the same game. He's cutting social programs to the bone, but the outrageously bloated Pentagon budget is completely off the table. And nary a peep from other Democrats. Brilliant.

Just goes to show how far to the right even the Democrats have gone - the military industrial complex is more important than social programs.

But Obama is a socialist.

Oh, and a Kenyan.

No, he is a Keynesian, not a Kenyan. Silly wabbit.

[PrestonSturges]

I'm at that age where I would yell at kids to get off my lawn if I cared, but I just ask them nicely to not step on the flowers. But if the GOP gets the supermajority they want in 2012, they are likely to give us the level of chaos and incompetence that leads to famine, and there just aren't enough Muslims around to scapegoat. This will come as surprise to a lot of people, and they aren't going to take it well. Me? I keep my nose clean.

[americandream]

To balance state budgets, the largesse of previous times must be swept away like the socialist garbage that it is.

Libtards act as though money grows on a ever sprouting tree ready to be dispensed to the mooch class. The Republicans are instilling some fiscal reality and discipline and the howls from the libtards is sweet music to my ears.

Fiscal reality!!!! From way over here in New Zealand I go

[Cog]

To balance state budgets, the largesse of previous times must be swept away like the socialist garbage that it is.

Libtards act as though money grows on a ever sprouting tree ready to be dispensed to the mooch class. The Republicans are instilling some fiscal reality and discipline and the howls from the libtards is sweet music to my ears.

Fiscal reality!!!! From way over here in New Zealand I go

I don't think in New Zealand your Democrats are hysterical about cutting $61 billion from a $1.5 trillion dollar upcoming federal deficit.

So stick to what you know Kiwi.

[Cog]

Cog, your comments fall on deaf ears. The screams of "nonsustainable" only apply to oil, not to pieces of paper that we call money.

"However, the GOP has gone completely scorched earth', boo hoo, gotta pay the bills you racked up. You libs with money are like Charle Sheen and cocaine

They don't even want to talk about the avalanche of debt coming our way this year. $1.5 Trillion and rising for one budget year. Yet when the Republicans propose cutting just 0.7% of that deficit, the Dems go ballistic with shouts of unfairness and "How dare they hurt the children". We have a long way to go to educate the mooch class that the free ride is over. I would cut at least $500 billion from this years budget and let the chips fall where they may.

[americandream]

To balance state budgets, the largesse of previous times must be swept away like the socialist garbage that it is.

Libtards act as though money grows on a ever sprouting tree ready to be dispensed to the mooch class. The Republicans are instilling some fiscal reality and discipline and the howls from the libtards is sweet music to my ears.

Fiscal reality!!!! From way over here in New Zealand I go

I don't think in New Zealand your Democrats are hysterical about cutting $61 billion from a $1.5 trillion dollar upcoming federal deficit.

So stick to what you know Kiwi.

Mate, you crazy free racketeers have lumbered the entire Western world with the debts you crooks ratcheted up. Have you forgotten the precarious state of the global economy when Obama took over. The debts he is running up fall squarely on your shoulders for generating the type of business practoces that see working people out of jobs and dependent on welfare. In adition, American industry was sent to China on your watch. You guys started costly wars. You let the assetisation industry loose with no oversight...all in the name of freedom.

You wouldnlt know the meaning of fiscal responsibilty if it stood up, walked over to you and bit you on your ass.

[rangerone314]

I would not cut, but instead ELIMINATE social security, medicare and medicaide for the next fiscal year. That would probably solve the fiscal problems.

[Revi]

We have a governor like you here in Maine. He wants to take a thousand from each of us working people and give it to the rich. He's like a reverse Robin Hood. They will get a $2700 tax cut, while we are trying to figure out how to live on beans. What do you think wealthy people are going to invest money in? I think they will put it into oil futures. That won't help the state of Maine out. We are all going to be paying more for our oil. QE 2 is flooding the world with capital which is driving up the cost of all the things us little people have to buy. Oil and food are two great examples.

[Plantagenet]

After saving the auto industry, Obama was rewarded by the voters as the GOP made a clean sweep of Michigan.

Don't be silly. The result of Obaa "saving" GM is a 20% total unemployment rate in Michigan. If he saves them anymore he'd have to bankrupt every in the state.

Obama didn't "save" the auto industry. GM went BANKRUPT. Tens of thousands of people lost their jobs. Tens of thousands of other people had their stock positions wiped out, or had preferred bonds illegally cancelled by the Obama administration so he could direct money to his cronies in the UAW. AND today, GM hasn't paid the 50 billion they took from the taxpayer---GM stock now is lower then when it came out in the IPO. The Chevy Volt is an utter disaster ---GM did such a poor job designing and engineering it that it only sold about 350 Volt cars last month---and peak oil and high oil prices are going to knock GM down again sooner rather than later.

[rangerone314]

We have a governor like you here in Maine. He wants to take a thousand from each of us working people and give it to the rich. He's like a reverse Robin Hood. They will get a $2700 tax cut, while we are trying to figure out how to live on beans. What do you think wealthy people are going to invest money in? I think they will put it into oil futures. That won't help the state of Maine out. We are all going to be paying more for our oil. QE 2 is flooding the world with capital which is driving up the cost of all the things us little people have to buy. Oil and food are two great examples.

It does point out the fallacy that giving the rich money will create more jobs in THIS country. It might make jobs in China and India. The rich just drive up the price of commodities. I say give less money to the rich and that will result in commodity prices dropping.

The 2000-2008 Bush years saw the "let the rich have more money" philosophy taken to the max, and yet jobs were destroyed.

[americandream]

It does point out the fallacy that giving the rich money will create more jobs in THIS country. It might make jobs in China and India. The rich just drive up the price of commodities. I say give less money to the rich and that will result in commodity prices dropping.

The 2000-2008 Bush years saw the "let the rich have more money" philosophy taken to the max, and yet jobs were destroyed.

The rich have never acted in the interests of anyone but themselves. It's been proven through the ages. They keep pushing until something gives.

[Cog]

The mooch and entitlement class operate very much the same way. Course you have no criticism for them since they are entitled.

[Keith_McClary]

Yep. The thing that irritates me the most in "discussions" like this is the big fat elephant stinking up the room, i.e., military (over)spending.

Stealing From Social Security to Pay for Wars and Bailouts - The Greatest Rip-Off
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

What I am about to tell you might come as a shock, but it is the absolute truth, which you can verify for yourself by going online to the government's annual OASDI and HI reports. According to the official 2010 Social Security reports, between 1984 and 2009 the American people contributed $2 trillion, that is $2,000 billion, more to Social Security and Medicare in payroll taxes than was paid out in benefits.

What happened to the surplus $2,000 billion, or $2,000,000,000,000.

The government spent it.

Over the past quarter century, $2 trillion in Social Security and Medicare revenues have been used to finance wars and pork-barrel projects of the US government.

[americandream]

The mooch and entitlement class operate very much the same way. Course you have no criticism for them since they are entitled.

Which moochers are we talking about? The crowd who just blew cool multi-trillions selling fake mortgages to folks who can barely read as a consequence of underfunded education.

This lot have always had a sense of entitlement based on a supposed work ethic that periodically requires injections of public money to keep its many schemes afloat.

We basically don't need you and will eventually realise that when you have finally cleaned out the place and have no one else to blame. In the meantime, carry on. You're doing sterling work.

[mos6507]

The mooch and entitlement class operate very much the same way. Course you have no criticism for them since they are entitled.

What class do you belong to, praytell?

[rangerone314]

The mooch and entitlement class operate very much the same way. Course you have no criticism for them since they are entitled.

What class do you belong to, praytell?

The middle class is like the plant that different classes of aphids live on. The numerous tiny aphids are the poor and the fewer but larger fat aphids are the rich.

You have to be more specific when you ask him which mooch and entitlement class he belongs too.