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World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 22 Jan 2014, 18:03:13

Billionaire software baron Bill Gates has made the bold prediction that there will be almost no poor countries left by 2035.

In the sixth annual letter published by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Mr Gates says that there are already clear signs of progress.

"By almost any measure, the world is better than it has ever been," he wrote in the letter.

"People are living longer, healthier lives. Many nations that were aid recipients are now self-sufficient."

Countries once considered poor, such as China, India, Brazil and even Botswana, now have growing economies, he says.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-22/b ... 35/5213712

Obviously Mr Gates doesn't read peakoil.com, let alone dieoff.org!

What kind of bubble does being the richest man in the world put him in? This annual 'letter on the state of the world' is severely delusional. Seems he is just looking at the upsloping graphic indicators and making technotopian conclusions based largely on feeling good about himself.

But it is not all smooth sailing according Mr Gates, who cites North Korea as one country that will be held back by war and politics.

He says inequality will continue in every region.

While the percentage of very poor people has more than halved since 1990, 1 billion people still live in extreme poverty.

That is the same point highlighted by aid agency Oxfam International in a recent report that puts into stark relief the global divide between rich and poor.

The report found just 85 people - including Mr Gates - control as much wealth as the poorest half of the global population.

"The biggest danger is that this small group of very wealthy people also capture political power," Oxfam's executive director Winnie Byanyima said.

Inequality and corruption have been blamed for the mass protest movements that have emerged in Brazil, Spain, Turkey and Thailand.


So there will be increasing inequality and decreasing poverty for 20 years at least, without a hint of irony... Just great.... Of course it must be true as Bill is just so damned good right?
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 22 Jan 2014, 18:09:59

"By almost any measure, the world is better than it has ever been," he wrote in the letter.

"People are living longer, healthier lives. Many nations that were aid recipients are now self-sufficient."


So there is this MD at my church. Generally a congenial fellow. A few years ago he took me to task for my gloomy outlook and spouted the above BS, nearly verbatim. I mean, word for word except he went on about how the population problem is that we aren't reproducing fast enough any more, there are no Italians left in Italy. (I really can't make up stuff like this). We each got quit exercised and ended up agreeing we were each talking to idiots.

A few weeks ago he starts telling me all about resource depletion, climate change and how terrible things are gonna be. Seems he is reading Plan B.
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby Timo » Wed 22 Jan 2014, 18:41:48

I guess Mr. Gates is single-handedly willing to pay from his pesonal fortune to achieve his predictions. Actually, he probably has enough money to do it, too. If that's not the case, though, i think he's full of wishful-thinking BS. By 2035, we'll have yet another billion impoverished people on the planet, fewer resources, more wars and famine, and possibly a colony living on Mars.
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 22 Jan 2014, 18:57:45

I saw Bill Gates interviewed about this just yesterday on PBS.

Gates is just repeating what Prof. Hans Rosling says.

Hans Rosling TED talk on poverty

Rosling's data shows that almost all poor countries are getting richer and richer since 1820, and if present trends continue they'll all be pretty well off by 2050.
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 22 Jan 2014, 19:02:42

All of which utterly ignores the fact of where we are related to oil, peak oil and peak oil dynamics.
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Unread postby Quinny » Wed 22 Jan 2014, 19:10:35

I've met a lot of people with stupid ideas in this world. Congratulations Vogelsgang you win!
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 22 Jan 2014, 19:17:45

SeaGypsy wrote:All of which utterly ignores the fact of where we are related to oil, peak oil and peak oil dynamics.


Bill Gates obviously doesn't think that will have a big impact. He expects economic growth to continue.

For the record, Gates is an investor in Terrapower---a company developing a new generation of nuclear reactors.
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Unread postby dissident » Wed 22 Jan 2014, 19:26:05

Billy "I want to be totalitarian overlord" Gates spouted long ago that no one would ever need more than 640 kilobytes of RAM on a personal computer. That was back in the day he was invested in DOS. Apple sort of proved what a load of fermented drivel this pearl of Gate's wisdom was and Billy set off trying to do GUI without doing it right. (Actually anyone with a developed brain would see that this statement was ridiculous). It is unfortunate that the dinosaurs at IBM spawned off two monopolies, Intel and Microsoft, whose products were clearly inferior in the 1980s. IBM made the active choice to hobble the PC and it succeeded. Instead of using Unix with a GUI and selecting the Motorola 68000 CPU (which was basically 32 bit), it selected the crap called DOS and the Intel 8088. The 8088 was an 8 bit POS that used segmented memory addressing instead of linear like on the 68000. It took until the 80386 came out for the segmentation hobble to be overcome. Clearly the market does not work magically to deliver the best choice to consumers.

Billy's pontifications on poverty are totally worthless.
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Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Wed 22 Jan 2014, 23:43:02

Plantagenet wrote:
SeaGypsy wrote:All of which utterly ignores the fact of where we are related to oil, peak oil and peak oil dynamics.


Bill Gates obviously doesn't think that will have a big impact. He expects economic growth to continue.

For the record, Gates is an investor in Terrapower---a company developing a new generation of nuclear reactors.

He believes in the magic pudding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TerraPower
Some reports say that the high fuel efficiency of TWRs combined with the ability to use uranium recovered from river or sea water, enough fuel is available to generate electricity for 10 billion people at U.S. per capita levels for million-year time-scales
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby Loki » Thu 23 Jan 2014, 01:28:10

SeaGypsy wrote:What kind of bubble does being the richest man in the world put him in? This annual 'letter on the state of the world' is severely delusional.

The technocrats seem to live in a particularly delusional, narcissistic bubble. And Gates is their king :wink:
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby dinopello » Thu 23 Jan 2014, 02:25:09

Windows 8. Need I say more ?
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 23 Jan 2014, 03:09:02

8 is only an improvement over 7 if you are selling to 7 year olds, obviously.

Here's where I question Bill's logic: the only half sane way he could belive his own spin- is if he believes that the massive dependence of humanity on oil is on the verge of collapsing in line with dwindling availability- therefore (following the money) TerraPower (or similar) is on the threshold of totally breakthrough technology. Following this line of reasoning, this man invests an amount equivalent to a fraction of 1 day's earnings? Gates 10-20 million is like us ordinary mortals purchasing 1 60 watt solar panel and leaving it in the shop. Is he serious or naive or delusional or all of the above? Blinded by conceit?
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby lasseter » Thu 23 Jan 2014, 04:46:33

Bill gates and Buffet sold massive blocks of their personal stock portfolios prior to the collapse of 2008. They are insiders, they knew. The money went tax free into their foundation which of course they control completely. They can use it to buy private jets, parcels of land, anything they want. The meger amounts they have doled out to the poor from its coffers have been more than offset by the taxes they avoided.

I wouldn't listen to a word that came out of their mouths.

A Critical Examination of Bill Gates' Philanthropic Record
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby Beery1 » Thu 23 Jan 2014, 07:05:12

He says inequality will continue in every region.


Seeing as he's the wealthiest man in the world (and assuming he wants to stay that way), he'd better hope so. On the other hand, if he's so worried about financial inequality, why doesn't he become part of the solution by redistributing all his wealth?
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby Beery1 » Thu 23 Jan 2014, 07:18:37

lasseter wrote:A Critical Examination of Bill Gates' Philanthropic Record
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/07/05 ... pic-record


Unfortunately, it doesn't even mention the Gates Foundation's African circumcision program, which is Bill Gates' big push to force Africa back into the 14th Century.
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby basil_hayden » Thu 23 Jan 2014, 10:18:26

Jackasses like this, and their "altruistic" intentions, are 99% of the problem for this planet.

They've learned that the more bodies there are, the more profits there are.

They have their hands in everyone's pockets; heck they'll even sew on extra pockets just to stick another hand in.
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby radon1 » Thu 23 Jan 2014, 18:59:50

SeaGypsy wrote:
Billionaire software baron Bill Gates has made the bold prediction that there will be almost no poor countries left by 2035.


Yeah, he will delete them.

there are already clear signs of progress.
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 23 Jan 2014, 22:18:54

At this instant this thread and the Obama ambitious GW action thread are side by side on my screen.

That made me think that these two gentlemen probably share a world view.

Just a bit of whimsy.
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 23 Jan 2014, 23:17:01

Newfie - Share a world view or share how they want the world to view them. Sallust used the phrase "Esse quam videri": To be...not to seem to be. And interestingly: In The Prince, Machiavelli reverses this phrase to videri quam esse (to seem rather than to be) with respect to how a ruler ought to act. Perhaps the "B" boys share similar thoughts.
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Re: World's Richest Man just a Useful Idiot?

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 24 Jan 2014, 07:09:19

Hm..

I'm not seeing how his foundation is a sham and not helping anyone? What am I missing here? Surely this is better than the Walton family that just sits on their vast mega-fortune and won't even do any charity for their own impoverished workers.

Given the enormous wealth of the Walton Family[3], the endowment of the Walton Family Foundation is relatively small. As a group, the Walton Family is considerably more wealthy than Bill Gates, with $93 billion, compared to Gates’ $59 billion. However, whereas Gates has endowed his Foundation with more than $33 billion, more than 57% of his wealth, the Walton Family Foundation has just a $2.3 billion endowment – just 2.4% of the family’s wealth.

When we examine their rate of giving (as opposed to simply looking at the size of the endowment), the Walton Family Foundation trails badly again. While Gates gave away an amount equivalent to 5.2% of his Foundation’s wealth in 2009, the Walton Family Foundation gave less than ½ of one percent.
http://walmart1percent.org/the-walton-family-foundation-how-much-do-they-give-and-to-whom/


Gates foundation is spending $800 million a year on global health, it's got to be saving somebody, no?

The Gates Foundation has quickly become a major influence upon global health; the approximately US$800 million that the foundation gives every year for global health approaches the annual budget of the United Nations World Health Organization (193 nations), and is comparable to the funds given to fight infectious disease by the United States Agency for International Development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_and_Melinda_Gates_Foundation


(what's the point of this thread, that the world is peak oil ending and overpopulated, so you shouldn't help the sick and just let infectious disease breed and run rampant? That's a dangerous, foolish attitude. Here's an example: Russia is not doing enough about HIV in their own country, now a new super virulent strain has evolved over there: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/2 ... 38219.html)

These are just the health initiatives:

The Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria
Over $1.3 billion donated as of 2012.
Polio eradication
The Foundation provides 17% (US$86 million in 2006) of the world budget for the attempted eradication of poliomyelitis (polio).[29]
The GAVI Alliance
The foundation gave the GAVI Alliance (formerly the “Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation”) a donation of US$750 million on January 25, 2005.[30][31]
Children's Vaccine Program
The Children's Vaccine Program, run by the Program for Appropriate Technology in Health (PATH), received a donation of US$27 million to help vaccinate against Japanese encephalitis on December 9, 2003.[32]
HIV Research
The foundation has donated a grand total of US$287 million to various HIV/AIDS researchers. The money was split between sixteen different research teams across the world, on the condition that they share their findings with one another.[33]
Aeras Global TB Vaccine Foundation
The foundation gave the Aeras Global TB Vaccine Foundation more than US$280 million to develop and license an improved vaccine against tuberculosis for use in high burden countries.[34][35]
Cheaper high-tech TB test
In August 2012, the foundation, in partnership with PEPFAR (United States President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief), USAID (United States Agency for International Development), and UNITAID (an international drug purchasing facility hosted by WHO), announced they had finalized an agreement to reduce the cost of a commercial TB test (Cepheid’s Xpert MTB/RIF run on the GeneXpert platform) from $16.86 to $9.98. This test can take the place of smear microscopy, a technique first developed in the 1880s by Robert Koch. Smear microscopy often does not show TB infection in persons who are also co-infected with HIV, whereas Xpert MTB/RIF can show TB in the co-infected patient. In addition, the GeneXpert system can show whether the particular TB strain is resistant to the antibiotic rifampicin, which is a widely accepted indicator of the presence of multi-drug resistant tuberculosis.[36][37]
Visceral Leishmaniasis Research
The foundation awarded the Hebrew University of Jerusalem Kuvin Center for the Study of Infectious and Tropical Diseases a US$5 million grant in 2009 for research into visceral leishmaniasis, an emerging parasitic disease in Ethiopia where it is frequently associated with HIV/AIDS, and a leading cause of adult illness and death. The project is a collaborative effort with Addis Ababa University and will gather data for analysis to identify the weak links in the transmission cycle and devise methods for control of the disease.[38]
The foundation has also given The Institute for OneWorld Health a donation of nearly US$10 million to support the organization's work on a drug for visceral leishmaniasis.
Next Generation Condom
The foundation is offering $100,000 to the scientist who can develop an improved condom,[39] one that "significantly preserves or enhances pleasure, in order to improve uptake and regular use" according to the Gates Foundation's Grand Challenges in Global Health website.[12] The condom challenge is one of five health initiatives put forward in Round 11 of the Grand Challenges Explorations, a program that rewards innovative, unorthodox approaches to global health and disease prevention.
Neglected tropical diseases
The foundation took the initiative of the WHO-inspired project called London Declaration on Neglected Tropical Diseases launched on 30 January 2012 in London, and had allocated a 5-year US $363 million commitment, the largest funding for the project. The programme is to eradicate or control 10 major tropical diseases by 2020.[40][41]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_and_Melinda_Gates_Foundation
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