[Ferretlover]

Is there any government agency, anywhere, for which we do not serve as guinea pigs?

CDC forced to release documents showing they knew vaccine preservative causes autism
PhD Scientist and Biochemist Reveals Hidden CDC Documents Showing Thimerosal In Vaccines Increase Neurologic Disorders
The CDC has been shunning the correlations between thimerosal and neurological disorders for a very long time. Although the FDA gave a two year deadline to remove the mercury based preservative from vaccines after the neurotoxin was banned in 1999, it still remains to this day in 60 percent of flu vaccines. A vaccine industry watchdog has now obtained CDC documents that show statistically significant risks of autism associated with the vaccine preservative, something the CDC denies even when confronted with their own data. …
WE'VE known this for ages!

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Zombie "news"

I hate to cite Forbes but here it is, LOL

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillin ... nd-autism/

[Rod_Cloutier]

I have high functioning autism; I would rather have had autism, even if caused by vaccination; rather than to have experienced smallpox, polio, meningitis, whooping cough, tetanus, and the whole host of other plagues that immunization cured.

Think of the harm this anti-immunization movement is causing, preventing new immunizations against AIDS and other potentially curable diseases?!

Get rid of the mercury, and the formaldehyde in the medications, and lets get everyone immunized again!

[dissident]

But we were assured by the western MSM that only quacks considered these preservatives as dangerous to health. We all know the western MSM always tells the truth and is totally unbiased.

Thimerosal has the formula C9H9HgNaO2S aka ethylmercury-sodium-thiosalicylate. This puts it in the same class of neurotoxic chemicals as methylmercury CH3Hg. Sodium-thiosalicylate is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory so it facilitates the absorption of the ethylmercury into cells. Here is a medical journal article on this preservative:

http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/conten ... 1.full.pdf‎

Cortical neurons are quite sensitive to this concoction. The paper is from 2003. I was seeing the MSM spewing its usual defamation propaganda against anyone who warned about this poison in the last several years:

http://news.discovery.com/human/health/ ... -scare.htm

The usual shoot the messenger shtick of the "free" western media. I wonder when we will hear about Big Pharma paying off these maggots to spread these lies. Or maybe they do it for free, being natural born bootlicks.

[PrestonSturges]

Since these compounds are being used a lot less in pediatric vaccines, we should see a decrease in autism, right?

Or maybe it's this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... icide.html

Men should not leave fatherhood too late because children of older fathers are more likely to suffer a raft of psychological and educational problems, scientists have warned.

The biggest study of its kind has found that the children of fathers aged over 45 were at greater risk of autism, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia as well has having lower IQs and poorer academic performance.

Women have traditionally been warned that they should not delay motherhood but because there is no male menopause, men have tended to believe that it is safe to father children in older age.

However when researchers at Indiana University and the Karolinska Institute in Sweden looked at the outcomes of more than two million children born between 1973 and 2001, they discovered worrying trends.

Children born to a 45-year-old man were 13 times more likely to have ADHD than those born to a 24-year-old man and were 3.5 times more likely to have autism and 25 times more likely to have bipolar disorder.

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Then there is the study this week that shows a 25% increase in ADHD in kids whose moms took Tylenol during pregnancy.

No mention of the correlation between pill popping mom's psychosomatic pain and their perception of their kids as having something wrong with them . . .

[PrestonSturges]

Also, the mothers with the 50 year old husband and 25 time higher rate of bipolar kids - what's that mother groups rate of bipolar disorder? Definitely more "daddy issues," which is common with bipolar disorder.

[dissident]

Since these compounds are being used a lot less in pediatric vaccines, we should see a decrease in autism, right?

They stopped using it while claiming it was not related to autism. No product peddled by Big Pharma can ever cause any harm. This naturally applies to the case of Baycol as well. And to think that first world health budgets are breaking under the load of Big Pharma product costs.

The use of this neurotoxin in pediatric vaccines continues in the 3rd world. Novartis (10%), Merck (12%), Pfizer (13%), SP (17%), SP-MSD (4%) and GSK (23%) control 79% of the global vaccine market. This market is rapidly growing from $5 billion in 2000 to $24 billion in 2013. It's OK to sell this shit to "lesser" humans.

http://www.who.int/influenza_vaccines_p ... kaddar.pdf

[jesus_of_suburbia]

You wanna link to some actual clinical trials? In-vitro only lays the foundation for clinical trials. Oxygen and water can be toxic given the right circumstances. As Preston said, where is this decline in autism since removal of thimerosal. The MMR scare took hold in the UK and the only thing increasing is vaccine preventable diseases. It's also funny that you link to Wakefield, a guy who failed to disclose obvious financial conflicts of interest in his study whose results have never been replicated linking autism to vaccines.

Thimerosal was ultimately removed to quell this hysteria, because even though it was proven time and again that it did not cause autism, the public and the litigation did not relent. The likes of fucking Jenny McCarthy had them convinced otherwise.

The physiology behind autism is still poorly understood. One of the world's leading neuroscientists is positing the idea that it is not a result of neurological degeneration, but a sort of hyper-responsiveness in the brain. The brain has more, not less, neurocellular connections. If this is indeed the cases, this would further squash this setback to public health.

https://medium.com/matter/70c3d64ff221

But hey, you know, Big Pharma.

[dissident]

http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/the- ... dren-.html

Yeah, autism rates never went down and thimerosal was totally removed. Right.

I won't bother with the obvious strawman BS about in vitro vs. in vivo. It has been demonstrated that microgram ethylmercury concentrations kill cortical neurons. If you consider in vivo you get overloading of infants with shots and auto-immune responses, compounding of factors you cannot even begin to see in vitro. Somehow in vivo ethylmercury is supposed to become less of a toxin and auto-immune trigger. Keep peddling the crap, it's just so plausible.

http://www.rescuepost.com/files/prog-he ... nation.pdf

Well, that sure shines a light on what a non-issue this all is. Just cranks denying medical authority. That would be industry funded research, something which is a clear conflict of interest.

Where is the justification for continued use of Thimerosal anywhere by the same corporations? Why are they still using it in flu vaccines, which happen to be administered to infants?

[dissident]

http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/12/the- ... field.html

The stench is so bad it makes one nauseous.

BTW, the issue is not the concept of vaccination but the hack products beings used a vaccines. Corporate bottom lines should not be a consideration. But unfortunately medicine as a science has been co-opted by industry. So various government and medical regulatory bodies have become totally corrupted. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

If you are going to cite Age of Autism, then I can tell we are going to have to agree to disagree on this matter. I would encourage you to check out the http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org for a good summary of the research done to disprove these ideas.

Again, thiermosal was never proven to cause autism. It was removed from vaccine because the initial hysteria was scaring parents from vaccinating their children, as well as the flood of litigation that ensued from vaccine injury cases. You tell me to follow the money, but you don't seem to understand how the anti-vax movement has become a business in and of itself. It's not just lawyers, but alternative medicine practitioners. "Your child has mercury in his body, so why don't you pay us to remove it using unfounded, quack therapies like chelation?".

[jesus_of_suburbia]

This was the most current thread regarding vaccines, so forgive me for resurrecting something so old.

However, due to the recent outbreaks of measles at both Disneyland and a daycare in Palatine, on top of the mountains of evidence released each year demonstrating the safety of vaccinations for a vast majority of the population, as well as new research highlighting that autism begins in utero, does the anti-vaccination crowd feel stupid yet? I know there is or at least was a pretty significant amount of posters who admonished childhood vaccinations.

How does it feel to be basically on the same level as AGW denialists? I mean, unless you actually want children dead to reduce the population.

[PrestonSturges]

http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/12/the-war-on-science-the-british-medical-journal-dr-wakefield.html
The stench is so bad it makes one nauseous.
BTW, the issue is not the concept of vaccination but the hack products beings used a vaccines. Corporate bottom lines should not be a consideration. But unfortunately medicine as a science has been co-opted by industry. So various government and medical regulatory bodies have become totally corrupted. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Sorry, that didn't pass the giggle test.

[vtsnowedin]

The rate of autism has shot up from 1 in 2000 live births to 1 in 150. Until they find out what is the cause of this increase and prove they are right by retuning the rate to the 1 in 2000 level this debate will remain open.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

Not really. When the studies comparing the rates of autism in vaccinated and non-vaccinated children show no link, you can kind of rule it out.

How much more evidence do you want? How much more of a consensus do you need?

As I said, anti-vaxxers are basically AGW denialists.

[vtsnowedin]

Not really. When the studies comparing the rates of autism in vaccinated and non-vaccinated children show no link, you can kind of rule it out.

How much more evidence do you want? How much more of a consensus do you need?

As I said, anti-vaxxers are basically AGW denialists.

As I said the debate will continue. Something changed about 1970 that brought on this increase in cases. The problem is that a lot of things changed around that time and they haven't sorted out which one. Is it something taken by the mother during pregnancy? Something in processed food consumed by either mother or child. Some form of increased pollution. Radiation from TV sets? Until we find out for sure injecting a known poison into infants will remain suspect. Perhaps it is some bad batches or poorly handled product or some other combination of factors but it most certainly is something that wasn't there before 1970.
Like public school teachers that send their own children to public school I'd like to know the percentage of doctors and researchers that have their children vaccinated with vaccines that contain mercury.