dissident wrote:Shame, the demonstrators won't be getting any cookies.
Sixstrings wrote:dissident wrote:Shame, the demonstrators won't be getting any cookies.
They don't want cookies, they want the democracy that was promised to them and agreed to when the colony was handed over.
They simply want to elect their regional government in totally open free elections, rather than a slate of Beijing-approved candidates.
Withnail wrote:Promised by who?
Sixstrings wrote: the Chinese gov promised .... that was part of the handover deal.
Plantagenet wrote:Sixstrings wrote: the Chinese gov promised .... that was part of the handover deal.
Right-O.
And the Russian government promised to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
And the US made a whole bunch of promises to native Americans.
Sixstrings wrote: UK WOULD NEVER have done this handover if they had known this would happen, it's not right.
Sixstrings wrote:And I know you agree with me, I'm just making a point.
Withnail wrote:UK MP's banned from entering Hong Kong to stir up trouble.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/n ... -hong-kong
UK politicians refused entry to Hong Kong
China bars House of Commons delegation as pro-democracy protesters confront police on streets of former colony
A committee of British MPs has been warned that they will be denied entry to Hong Kong if they try to go ahead with a planned visit to the former British colony.
Sir Richard Ottaway, the chairman of the Commons foreign affairs committee, said he and his fellow committee members had been told by the Chinese embassy they would be turned back if they tried to enter.
The MPs had been planning to visit Hong Kong as part of an inquiry into the colony’s relations with the UK 30 years after the joint declaration that led to the handover to China in 1997.
The move comes amid renewed protests by pro-democracy campaigners in Hong Kong, who have been demanding the right to choose their own leaders without interference from Beijing.
Ottoway accused the Chinese authorities of acting in an “overtly confrontational manner” and said that he would be pressing for an emergency Commons debate.
“I have been informed by the Chinese embassy that if we attempt to travel to Hong Kong we will be refused entry,” he said.
SeaGypsy wrote:Was 1984 when the accord of succession was signed. From memory there is something about increasing electoral independence towards universal suffrage for HK during 2017. The government is still saying it will stick to the 84 agreement.
Hong Kong Protesters Warned Not to Return After Clashes Disrupt Government
http://www.voanews.com/content/hong-kong-protests-close-down-government/2540636.html
Hong Kong students on hunger strike want government to talk
Joshua Wong, the teenage face of Hong Kong's pro-democracy movement, places chair into a tent at the movement's main protest site in the Admiralty district of Hong Kong, on December 2, 2014 ©Johannes Eisele (AFP)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-2856240/Joshua-Wong-two-HK-student-protesters-hunger-strike.html
Hong Kong braces for more violence as frustrations boil
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-2856540/Hong-Kong-braces-violence-frustrations-boil.html
Hong Kong student leader calls on democracy supporters to regroup
(Reuters) - Hong Kong student leader Joshua Wong urged pro-democracy protesters to regroup in the heart of the city on Tuesday, less than a day after he announced he would go on hunger strike to demand electoral reform.
Wong, 18, also urged the Hong Kong government to resume dialogue with students in the Chinese-controlled city a day after activists forced the temporary closure of government headquarters after clashing with police.
Protesters, who have occupied key streets for more than two months, have called on the city leader Leung Chun-ying to step down after Beijing in August ruled out a free choice of candidates for Hong Kong's next leader.
"This is not about withdrawing the National People's Congress decision made on August 31," Wong told reporters, referring to China's parliament. "We're asking the Hong Kong government to restart consultations on political reform."
Wong, who has been charged with obstructing court bailiffs during an operation to clear a protest camp in Mong Kok, across the harbor from Admiralty, is no stranger to protest movements.
Two years ago, with the help of secondary school activists calling themselves Scholarism, he forced the Hong Kong government to shelve plans to introduce a pro-China national education scheme in schools.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/02/us-hongkong-china-idUSKCN0JE0KI20141202
Sixstrings wrote:
And UK WOULD NEVER have done this handover if they had known this would happen, the Chinese promised everyone and now they've renigged on it -- it's not right.
Sixstrings wrote:
Meanwhile, while we all stopped talking about Hong Kong, the demonstrations never stopped and have escalated to some violence:
Withnail wrote:Sixstrings wrote:
And UK WOULD NEVER have done this handover if they had known this would happen, the Chinese promised everyone and now they've renigged on it -- it's not right.
Britain had no option but to hand stolen Chinese territory back to China, just as it had no option about India's independence.
If Britain had refused, China would have invaded and taken its territory back by force, and been entitled to do so, just as India invaded Goa.
The treaty is a worthless piece of paper. It was signed with a thief (Britain) which stole Hong Kong from China. Hong Kong is China and subject to Chinese rule.Sixstrings wrote:
Meanwhile, while we all stopped talking about Hong Kong, the demonstrations never stopped and have escalated to some violence:
Actually there are not many protesters these days, just crowds of a few hundred.
The movement is petering out.
dorlomin wrote:The buffoons round here seem to think being pro democracy is some kind of right wing thing.
in the west the media chose them
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