Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

What if there were zero people on this planet?

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby DesuMaiden » Sat 10 Jan 2015, 20:57:50

Watch this short movie/documentary to find out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUqHECc5rPo

This is what would happen to the world if there were zero people on it. I found this video pretty interesting. What I find surprisingly is how fast all evidence of our existence would be wiped off from the face of the world. Of course, there is no way all 7 billion of us would magically disappear from this planet. But this video is about what might happen if all seven billion of us were to magically disappear from the planet. It would be a certainly very interesting scenario.
History repeats itself. Just everytime with different characters and players.
DesuMaiden
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 886
Joined: Mon 06 Oct 2014, 16:00:31

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby DesuMaiden » Sat 10 Jan 2015, 21:20:10

pstarr wrote:If there were zero people than some other animal (a jellyfish perhaps. Or maybe a snail) would somehow mutate, adapt, takeover, overshoot and die off. Just like us.

Indeed that might be the case.
History repeats itself. Just everytime with different characters and players.
DesuMaiden
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 886
Joined: Mon 06 Oct 2014, 16:00:31

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby Lore » Sat 10 Jan 2015, 22:51:34

There is no guarantee that there would have been or ever will be a replacement for the level of human intelligence among any other creatures. Evolution is a long process which hands out superior attributes more rarely than a mega lotto.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
User avatar
Lore
Fission
Fission
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Fri 26 Aug 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Fear Of A Blank Planet

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 06:06:22

Rodents are the most likely successor due to their ability to quickly adapt to a changing environment and the fact that they can "breed like rabbits!". Their populations would explode due to the lack of predators and quickly overpopulate and crash.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.:Anonymous
Our whole economy is based on planned obsolescence.
Hungrymoggy "I am now predicting that Europe will NUKE ITSELF sometime in the first week of January"
User avatar
dolanbaker
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3855
Joined: Wed 14 Apr 2010, 10:38:47
Location: Éire

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 06:57:49

dolanbaker wrote:Rodents are the most likely successor due to their ability to quickly adapt to a changing environment and the fact that they can "breed like rabbits!". Their populations would explode due to the lack of predators and quickly overpopulate and crash.

Why would there be a lack of predators?
I would expect one of the African apes to eventually evolve into a human substitute over a million years or so. The opposing thumbs and current brain size and problem solving ability give them a head start over any other species.
In the meantime the plains of Africa would fill to capacity with everything from Elephant to Dikidiki and all the predators would have plenty to eat.
In the Americas buffalo and elk would compete with wild cattle and horses all kept in check by wolves, coyotes and mountain lions.
User avatar
vtsnowedin
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 14897
Joined: Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby Lore » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:06:49

vtsnowedin wrote: I would expect one of the African apes to eventually evolve into a human substitute over a million years or so. The opposing thumbs and current brain size and problem solving ability give them a head start over any other species.
In the meantime the plains of Africa would fill to capacity with everything from Elephant to Dikidiki and all the predators would have plenty to eat.
In the Americas buffalo and elk would compete with wild cattle and horses all kept in check by wolves, coyotes and mountain lions.


Why would you expect that? In millions of years of evolution there is only one of us and apes are still apes. The capacitance for higher reason that makes humans different isn't a benifit that's just handed out over time. Alligators for instance are much the same as they were 150 million years ago.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
User avatar
Lore
Fission
Fission
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Fri 26 Aug 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Fear Of A Blank Planet

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:10:32

vtsnowedin wrote:
dolanbaker wrote:Rodents are the most likely successor due to their ability to quickly adapt to a changing environment and the fact that they can "breed like rabbits!". Their populations would explode due to the lack of predators and quickly overpopulate and crash.

Why would there be a lack of predators?
I would expect one of the African apes to eventually evolve into a human substitute over a million years or so. The opposing thumbs and current brain size and problem solving ability give them a head start over any other species.
In the meantime the plains of Africa would fill to capacity with everything from Elephant to Dikidiki and all the predators would have plenty to eat.
In the Americas buffalo and elk would compete with wild cattle and horses all kept in check by wolves, coyotes and mountain lions.

In many parts of the world, predators would have competed with humans and so have been almost eliminated. The rodent population explosion will be so rapid that no predator would be able to eat that much rodent. It is often said that there is one Rat per human but only about one fox per 1000 and foxes breed slower. Cats would do well but even they will be out stripped by the explosion in mice.

It would probably take a couple of decades for the predator/prey balance to be restored.

As for "future humans" you could be right.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.:Anonymous
Our whole economy is based on planned obsolescence.
Hungrymoggy "I am now predicting that Europe will NUKE ITSELF sometime in the first week of January"
User avatar
dolanbaker
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3855
Joined: Wed 14 Apr 2010, 10:38:47
Location: Éire

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:22:15

Lore wrote:
Why would you expect that? In millions of years of evolution there is only one of us and apes are still apes. The capacitance for higher reason that makes humans different isn't a benifit that's just handed out over time. Alligators for instance are much the same as they were 150 million years ago.

There is no guarantee of course. Evolution doesn't have a master plan other then survival and all the ape species might just continue on as is in a world devoid of humans. But when a hole in an ecosystem is created it tends to get filled by the next available species. In New England for example the Grey wolf was hunted to extinction to protect sheep flocks. After the decline in sheep raising the much smaller coyotes moved into the area from the west. There small size was a hindrance in New England's winter snows and they quickly evolved into a larger and more wolf like subspecies.
With humans removed from Africa I would expect one of the ape species ,most likely the Gibbons to take up the position of top predator on the plains and they would face the same evolutionary pressures that our human ancestors did and the most human like would become the survivors for generations.
User avatar
vtsnowedin
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 14897
Joined: Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby Lore » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:27:16

I agree that there will always be a top preditor as we move on down the chain. However, at our present rate of vertebrate extinction that may be pretty low on the ladder.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
User avatar
Lore
Fission
Fission
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Fri 26 Aug 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Fear Of A Blank Planet

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:28:36

Stoats and weasels are mouse predators. They can breed fast. There will be a brief surge is some populations as they go through human food stores, but once they are exhausted, you will get a natural die back.
User avatar
dorlomin
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 5193
Joined: Sun 05 Aug 2007, 03:00:00

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:30:39

vtsnowedin wrote: With humans removed from Africa I would expect one of the ape species ,most likely the Gibbons to take up the position of top predator on the plains

How will gibbons get to Africa?
And top predator is the lion.
User avatar
dorlomin
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 5193
Joined: Sun 05 Aug 2007, 03:00:00

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:31:57

dolanbaker wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
dolanbaker wrote:Rodents are the most likely successor......
..........coyotes and mountain lions.

In many parts of the world, predators would have competed with humans and so have been almost eliminated. The rodent population explosion will be so rapid that no predator would be able to eat that much rodent. It is often said that there is one Rat per human but only about one fox per 1000 and foxes breed slower. Cats would do well but even they will be out stripped by the explosion in mice.

It would probably take a couple of decades for the predator/prey balance to be restored.

As for "future humans" you could be right.

I have more faith in the ability of the predator populations to adjust and keep up. Wild dogs, hyenas , dingos, lions, leopards ,cheetahs, owls, falcons,eagles and vultures would all have their shot and would most likely be in balance before the second boom and bust cycle of the rodent population occurred. Perhaps five to seven years of non human interference for things to get back to normal.
User avatar
vtsnowedin
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 14897
Joined: Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:37:50

dorlomin wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: With humans removed from Africa I would expect one of the ape species ,most likely the Gibbons to take up the position of top predator on the plains

How will gibbons get to Africa?
And top predator is the lion.

Swing from tree to tree across India then walk. :oops: I was thinking of a ape closely related to the chimps. Pulled the wrong name from my increasingly creaky memory.
Man is the top predator at present.
Aha! here is the one the Bonobo.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/w ... nobo-love/
Last edited by vtsnowedin on Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:50:25, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
vtsnowedin
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 14897
Joined: Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby Lore » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:43:01

Raises an interesting question. If a super virus ends humans, would that virus then be considered top predator having toppled number one?
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
User avatar
Lore
Fission
Fission
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Fri 26 Aug 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Fear Of A Blank Planet

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 07:52:21

Lore wrote:Raises an interesting question. If a super virus ends humans, would that virus then be considered top predator having toppled number one?

I suppose it would but there would be nobody left to care.
User avatar
vtsnowedin
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 14897
Joined: Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 08:01:29

No. A virus or bacteria which kills its host with 100% efficacy is a genetic mistake. Herpes is close to a perfect virus.
SeaGypsy
Master Prognosticator
Master Prognosticator
 
Posts: 9285
Joined: Wed 04 Feb 2009, 04:00:00

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 08:02:05

vtsnowedin wrote:
dorlomin wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: With humans removed from Africa I would expect one of the ape species ,most likely the Gibbons to take up the position of top predator on the plains

How will gibbons get to Africa?
And top predator is the lion.

Swing from tree to tree across India then walk. :oops: I was thinking of a ape closely related to the chimps. Pulled the wrong name from my increasingly creaky memory.
Man is the top predator at present.
Aha! here is the one the Bonobo.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/w ... nobo-love/
It took about 5 million years to get from a common anscetor to Homo Habilis. In that time what became Homo developed bipedalsim and what became Pan (chimps and bonobos) specialised in knuckle walking. In Africa sapiens is unlikely to have become top predator until the invention of metal and until Homo Ergaster Homo was likely to be a prey species. There will unlikely be much of a man shaped hole in Africa and it would be millions of years and some unlikely rerunning of a very ideosyncratic evolution before any new upright primates arrived.

In Eurasia\The Americas\Australasia there will be big predator niches to fill, the ones humans wiped out.
User avatar
dorlomin
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 5193
Joined: Sun 05 Aug 2007, 03:00:00

Re: What if there were zero people on this planet?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 11 Jan 2015, 08:28:44

dorlomin wrote:
In Eurasia\The Americas\Australasia there will be big predator niches to fill, the ones humans wiped out.

Most of the American predators still exist in reduced numbers. They would quickly grow in population if human hunting pressure was removed. The wolves in Yellowstone park being the trial case.
I would expect feral dogs to fill the gaps in Europe and Australia.
edit to add video clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n8Q1cNr0OA
User avatar
vtsnowedin
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 14897
Joined: Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Next

Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests