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Eating fossil fuels. Food = fossil fuels.

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Eating fossil fuels. Food = fossil fuels.

Unread postby DesuMaiden » Thu 05 Feb 2015, 00:26:58

This article talks about how our food system is totally and utterly dependent on fossil fuels.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... g_oil.html

According to it, we use 10 calories of fossil fuel energy to produce every calorie of food. This includes production, packaging and transportation, but it does not include the amount of energy it takes to cook food. That's believable because just consider how much fossil fuel is used to produce, package and transport foods around.

And it also states that the population of the USA and the world will have to be reduced as a result of fossil fuel depletion.

None of this research considers the impact of declining fossil fuel production. The authors of all of these studies believe that the mentioned agricultural crisis will only begin to impact us after 2020, and will not become critical until 2050. The current peaking of global oil production (and subsequent decline of production), along with the peak of North American natural gas production will very likely precipitate this agricultural crisis much sooner than expected. Quite possibly, a U.S. population reduction of one-third will not be effective for sustainability; the necessary reduction might be in excess of one-half. And, for sustainability, global population will have to be reduced from the current 6.32 billion people42 to 2 billion-a reduction of 68% or over two-thirds. The end of this decade could see spiraling food prices without relief. And the coming decade could see massive starvation on a global level such as never experienced before by the human race.


Like Michael Ruppert said in the movie Collapse, the population of the world shot up in a vertical trajectory from 1900 onwards because of oil becoming ubiquitous. There are now currently 7.25 billion people.

It seems like the USA is technically considered overpopulated. That's because the only reason the USA can produce enough food to feed its population is with oil and natural gas. The oil is used to run farm machinery and the natural gas is used as fertilizers for increasing crop productivity per acre. If you take the oil and natural gas away, you take away the food, and therefore the population goes away. And since oil and natural gas will one day be gone, this is going to happen. It is really that simple. Michael Ruppert says this in a speech he did in Portland before.

The world population will probably be under 2 billion if you take away fossil fuels. That's because without fossil fuels, we will not be able to produce sufficient food to feed the current population.

Other people on this site have arrived at the same conclusion as this article. All of these people (7 billion plus) exist on this planet only because of oil. That's it. So it is axiomatic if you take the oil away, the population goes away. That's what Michael Ruppert said the movie Collapse.

Since this becoming a reality, what should you do, so that you end up as the <<<2 billion people to survive the collapse of industrial civilization? How do you not end up as the >>>5 billion people who die from fossil fuel depletion? That's my question.

And that's all I have to say. This concludes my little rant.
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Re: Eating fossil fuels. Food = fossil fuels.

Unread postby DesuMaiden » Thu 05 Feb 2015, 00:58:16

pstarr wrote:But oil is not going away. The oil-soaked debt-dependent consumer economy will collapse long before oil production does. The 7 billion (minus victims of regional economic collapse/chaos, internecine wars, refugee displacements, disease epidemics, suicides mass shootings and serial killings) will probably hang on for a few years at least.

The population isn't going away overnight. But it will gradually decrease as a result of fossil fuel depletion.
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Re: Eating fossil fuels. Food = fossil fuels.

Unread postby kublikhan » Thu 05 Feb 2015, 01:41:52

DesuMaiden, before you start a new thread you might want to search on the topic first. Most of the new thread you have started already have threads on them. For example: Eating fossil fuels
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Re: Eating fossil fuels. Food = fossil fuels.

Unread postby DesuMaiden » Thu 05 Feb 2015, 01:57:09

kublikhan wrote:DesuMaiden, before you start a new thread you might want to search on the topic first. Most of the new thread you have started already have threads on them. For example: Eating fossil fuels

Ok thanks for the tip. I'm not too surprised that every article that I recently discovered was already discovered by this website many years ago.
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Re: Eating fossil fuels. Food = fossil fuels.

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 05 Feb 2015, 17:00:11

That's cause we are older than dirt.
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Re: Eating fossil fuels. Food = fossil fuels.

Unread postby Pops » Thu 05 Feb 2015, 17:40:06

Man you are like every cliché of doom, LOL

The production of food consumes 14% of the total energy consumed in the US, but growing food only 2% and transporting it is less than 1%.

Want to know how to avoid starvation?

Buy raw bulk food and learn to cook with a renewable source. You can easily meet all your yearly caloric requirement's for a few hundred bucks.

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